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everyonematters

(3,926 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:45 AM Friday

Democrats fear falling into GOP trap on government shutdown

Source: The Hill

Centrist Democrats fear their party could blunder into a government shutdown this month as Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) are taking a hard line on the government funding package that needs to pass by Sept. 30.

Democrats broadly agree the looming expiration of enhanced health insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act — combined with deep cuts to Medicaid that Republicans enacted through the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — will hit millions of Americans with higher health care costs. But they are divided over whether to derail a short-term continuing resolution to keep the government funded in October unless Republicans agree to spend tens of billions of dollars in additional health care spending.

One Democratic senator who requested anonymity to comment on political dynamics within the Senate Democratic Caucus said progressives who are angling to run for president have pushed for the most confrontational approach with Republicans.

“Most people want to avoid brinkmanship except some of those people who may be running for president because I think people understand that it’s important to keep the government operating,” the lawmaker said. The senator said it’s “not clear” how voting against a short-term clean funding measure and forcing a government shutdown would give Democrats more leverage over Republicans on the looming expiration of the Affordable Care Act subsidies.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5499731-democrats-government-shutdown-threat/



Most voters don't want to see a government shutdown. The Republicans are going to end up with their health cuts anyways, and they will be held responsible for it.
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Democrats fear falling into GOP trap on government shutdown (Original Post) everyonematters Friday OP
They will be blamed for any problems regardless. GreenWave Friday #1
Damned if you do, damned if you don't wolfie001 Friday #2
Anything JBTaurus83 Friday #3
Are talking points right wing, if they come from a right wing rag? gab13by13 Friday #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Friday #5
Rs have trifecta control. Congressional Democrats just need to remind themselves Deminpenn Friday #6
Trump wants Dems to try and shut it down so he can pass blame on his shit economy Bengus81 Friday #7
Dems can only vote nay on bills. They have no ability to shut down the govt Deminpenn Friday #8
They can only vote Nay? You have 11 Dems that just voted YES on that horrific bill in the House Bengus81 Friday #10
On govt shutdown Deminpenn Friday #11
Republicans cannot pass appropriations and authorizations bills in the Senate against Democratic objections. As soon as 24601 Saturday #22
I can always tell it is The Hill by their ridiculous anti-Democrat bias in their travelingthrulife Friday #9
What is being funded anymore? mdbl Friday #12
We are already in the trap. AllyCat Friday #13
collaborators pre-excususing capitulation. quakerboy Friday #14
The Hill (a rightwing rag) wrote this whole article just to get "Democrats Fear" into the headline Prairie Gates Friday #15
Maybe just... do what's right? Queso Delicioso Friday #16
Fuck the corporatists, its time to quit being a party of poodles and stand up to fascists! Shut it down! nt ImNotGod Friday #17
Let it shut down, if we can't get what we want out of it. lees1975 Friday #18
Republicans have the majority. If it goes down, Emile Friday #19
The trap will be voting with the Republican majority. Emile Friday #20
Maybe Democrats will get over their fear of being trapped mdbl Saturday #21

JBTaurus83

(652 posts)
3. Anything
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:05 AM
Friday

We got in any type of deal, Dump and the fascists will just claw back afterwards. I say let them figure is out themselves. Dems need to stop the bedwetting.

gab13by13

(29,762 posts)
4. Are talking points right wing, if they come from a right wing rag?
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:23 AM
Friday

The Hill again:

Let's talk about where the bear shits in the buckwheat. Whoever decided, whether they be moderates or progressives, to pass the CR back in March gave Krasnov everything he wanted and now after the Bill was passed that gutted our social safety net Democrat's efforts got a hell of a lot harder, trying to undo a Bill, good fucking luck with that.

The time to fight, the time to shut down the government until Democrats got protections for our social safety net was last March.

Biggest political blunder I have seen in my lifetime. I am 78 years old and I can weather storm that is coming. My daughter has been planning for years not to have Social Security or Medicare.

The fucking article from the right wing rag The Hill does nothing more than pit Progressive and Moderate Democrats against one another.

Back in March the vast majority of Democrats were opposed to passing the CR, only a handful of Senate Democrats kneecapped the majority. That is just a fact. Chuck Schumer told Chris Hayes what his strategy was, (I heard him say it) By giving Krasnov his CR he will burn it all down and then we win the election. Well, Krasnov is burning down our social safety net, it doesn't look so good now, after the fact.

GOTV if we have elections.

Response to everyonematters (Original post)

Deminpenn

(17,000 posts)
6. Rs have trifecta control. Congressional Democrats just need to remind themselves
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:01 AM
Friday

that Rs control the House and the Senate and the WH. They don't need Dems to keep the gov't open. Dems are merely a pesky minority right now.

Bengus81

(9,351 posts)
7. Trump wants Dems to try and shut it down so he can pass blame on his shit economy
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:05 AM
Friday

that's getting shittier with each jobs report,retail prices and consumer confidence report. Fuck it...vote to keep it open and it's ALL on Trump and Republicans in Congress.

Deminpenn

(17,000 posts)
8. Dems can only vote nay on bills. They have no ability to shut down the govt
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:12 AM
Friday

Dems are the minority in both the House and the Senate. Rs can pass any bill they want to keep the govt open.

Bengus81

(9,351 posts)
10. They can only vote Nay? You have 11 Dems that just voted YES on that horrific bill in the House
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:18 AM
Friday

to punish migrants even more for crossing the border multiple times. Dems can vote either way but they have no majority. Trump wants them to TRY to shut Government down for a blame game. Just because it will remain open because of a Republican majority makes no diff to Trump.

Deminpenn

(17,000 posts)
11. On govt shutdown
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:22 AM
Friday

I'm guessing Rs had enough votes to pass this immigration bill. It didn't really matter if a few Ds also voted for it.

24601

(4,107 posts)
22. Republicans cannot pass appropriations and authorizations bills in the Senate against Democratic objections. As soon as
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 08:29 AM
Saturday

a senator objects, it takes 60 votes to proceed. So no, unless Democratic senators agree not to object, Republicans cannot unilaterally pass a continuing resolution.

There is a nuclear option that could circumvent Senate Rule 22 requiring 60 votes for cloture. While it has been used for nominations, neither party is willing to go nuclear on passing legislation. Once used, the Senate would be irrevocably transformed into just a more exclusive version of the House of Representatives.
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travelingthrulife

(3,241 posts)
9. I can always tell it is The Hill by their ridiculous anti-Democrat bias in their
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:12 AM
Friday

headlines. These MAGA people never grow as humans.

mdbl

(7,337 posts)
12. What is being funded anymore?
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:45 AM
Friday

All I hear about is Dump and Scrotus shutting everything down and firing everyone. Worthless dumbasses, all of them.

quakerboy

(14,538 posts)
14. collaborators pre-excususing capitulation.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:59 AM
Friday

Let's let them know we will not accept that, with plenty of time for them to adjust and pretend they always meant to stand up against fascism and for citizens.

Prairie Gates

(6,259 posts)
15. The Hill (a rightwing rag) wrote this whole article just to get "Democrats Fear" into the headline
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 12:12 PM
Friday


Propaganda and trash.

Queso Delicioso

(81 posts)
16. Maybe just... do what's right?
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:15 PM
Friday

Besides, the Republicans couldn't plan a birthday party much less any kind of intricate trap. If IQ were octane they couldn't run a lawnmower.

ImNotGod

(1,081 posts)
17. Fuck the corporatists, its time to quit being a party of poodles and stand up to fascists! Shut it down! nt
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 02:48 PM
Friday

lees1975

(6,765 posts)
18. Let it shut down, if we can't get what we want out of it.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 04:57 PM
Friday

They can't blame Democrats, they're in the majority. If there isn't anything we can get, because they don't want to give us anything in exchange for our votes, then shut 'er down.

It's time we started playing hardball and quit mollycoddling and playing like old line politics still works. If the government shuts down because of their stupidity, then let it go. And start pointing the fingers.

Emile

(37,490 posts)
20. The trap will be voting with the Republican majority.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:38 PM
Friday

Democratic leadership will have a lot to answer for.

mdbl

(7,337 posts)
21. Maybe Democrats will get over their fear of being trapped
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 08:03 AM
Saturday

When repugs let them out of their cages.

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