And Bill’s is very good.

God forbid he do the right thing for once.

And yes I agree with all of them - this kind of violence has no place in this country.

and the right-wing hate-mongers

to respect offices and institutions.

As you can see, even with monsters in charge, and the
Constitution being shredded in front of our eyes, they
have not been able to overcome this.

Bernie, and the new guard, have been good... just
not enough of them.

I think murdering people is bad, even if the target is also a bad person. It never makes things better. It just leads to more violence.

So I have to say I agree with the former presidents' statements. I see no praise of Kirk in their statements. They are speaking out against political violence and even though some of them come off as hypocritical, there's nothing wrong with their statements per se, in my mind.

Did people think they would be endorsing the shooter?

Honest to God Kirk was a cheap shill hate cult leader.
Why did they feel that these eulogy was appropriate???

...I've been insulted...

...

and the other times were much more important.

His and Cheney's rhetoric was pretty rabid.

I guess it's the Republican way.

"Knock the hell out of 'em" when he was heckled at his rallies. "You can beat the hell out of him, I'll pay your legal fees."

This is the subhuman slug who thinks the violence is out of hand when one of his minions is the target.

Feels quaint now, given the times we’re in.

These people have been 100% AWOL while Trump has been dismantling our democracy. Hell, Mike Pence has been 100 times more vocal than all 4 of the former Presidents combined.

Trump has been able to do this PRECISELY because people like Obama, Bush, Biden, and Clinton are still acting like things are normal -- and in normal times, a former President just stands quietly in the shadows. They have ALL let the country down. They have a powerful voice and they should be using it AS A UNITED TEAM -- including Cheney, Gore, Quayle, and Pence. If all 8 of the former POTUS and VPOTUS stood together, the media would have to take them seriously.

I am not asking them to agree on policy or to defend their records in office. I am simply saying that we have a bunch of people dismantling our very system on a daily basis. Surely the former 8 should agree on that much.

Only GOP lives matter for the GOP.

Amazing how it is unrecognizable even from the times of Dubya and Dick Cheney. Just when you think you've hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a bigger shovel.

Notice that even bush did not use that word.

An accident?

MURDER. The insult was uncalled for.

What insult?

As for the insult: What would you call it? an accident? When I f'n clearly said, as did the former Presidents, MURDER. MURDER. MURDER. How hard is that to understand?

We KNOW that scumbag kirk was murdered. We do NOT know the motivation. But do keep trying.

When you said not to call it an assassination, my question was legitimate. Another poster posted a ridiculous topic asking if it was an accidental discharge. Thankfully, you did not believe that.

assassination without knowing the motive. Nowhere did I decry the word "murder". But, as I said, keep trying.

It was an honest question, and I got my answer. It was exactly after I saw that poster's "maybe it was an accident" post, so it was fresh in mind.

post surprised me.

Accepted. hugggs

To convey to the country.

I get it, they're politicians, they have to say the thing. Even though excising that miserable tumor was a net positive for the country.

. . . But these same presidents need to forcefully call out Trump's attempts to assign collective guilt for the attack to "the left." That rhetoric is part of an attempt by Trump to criminalize dissent!

the shooting.