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BumRushDaShow

(160,061 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:05 AM Thursday

Charlie Kirk shooting witnesses describe lax security measures at event

Source: NBC News

Sept. 10, 2025, 5:08 PM EDT / Updated Sept. 10, 2025, 7:27 PM EDT


Justin Hickens says he was standing about 20 yards from Charlie Kirk as the influential conservative activist addressed a large crowd at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. Then, in the middle of Kirk’s remarks, Hickens heard "a big loud shot.” “I saw a bunch of blood come out of Charlie," Hickens told NBC News’ Tom Llamas. "I saw his body kind of kick back and go limp, and everybody dropped to the ground.”

When people realized Kirk had been shot, they started running from the outdoor pavilion area, some knocking over barricades as they fled, Hickens said. Hickens is one of scores of people who had gathered to see Kirk, a leading conservative voice and prominent ally of President Donald Trump and who regularly held events on high school and college campuses.

In videos and images posted on social media, attendees can be heard yelling and scrambling for safety. In interviews, students described hearing a booming “pop” noise and seeing a bloodied Kirk fall back in his chair. Kirk later died at a hospital. He was 31. The shooter remained at large Wednesday night.

During a news conference hours after the shooting, UVU Police Chief Jeff Long said six police officers were at the event, which had about 3,000 attendees. There were "some plainclothes police officers that were in the crowd as well," he said. "We train for these things, and you think you have things covered, and these things, unfortunately, they happen," he said. "You try to get your bases covered, and unfortunately, today we didn't. Because of that, we had this tragic incident."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-witnesses-describe-lax-security-measures-event-rcna230464

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Charlie Kirk shooting witnesses describe lax security measures at event (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
"these things, unfortunately, they happen" SunSeeker Thursday #1
Karma finally caught up with Charlie Kirk's hatred. Mawspam2 Thursday #2
American police are not going to spend a lot of time or money preventing gun violence. Irish_Dem Thursday #3
Especially in a county in UT BumRushDaShow Thursday #5
What are "lax security measures" at a university that allows people to carry guns on campus? hatrack Thursday #4
Utah had passed a law angrychair Thursday #16
Jan6 encouraged violence bucolic_frolic Thursday #6
And?? Ferrets are Cool Thursday #7
"Sorry your horse escaped. Hey, did you know your barn door was open ?" eppur_se_muova Thursday #8
Lets look at reality when it comes to security melm00se Thursday #9
Trumpsters are protecting them. Did they fire the smart ones? GreenWave Thursday #10
It is not lax security, it is lax gun policies in Utah. Glorious bastard Thursday #11
Doubtful the shooter came from Utah, Bayard Thursday #13
Make it lax gun policies in the US. Glorious bastard Thursday #15
'These things happen' seems our only national response. Every time. Torchlight Thursday #12
It's an open-carry campus, in an open-carry state..THAT was the security. n/t LeftinOH Thursday #14
How much security is required for a talk to less than 3000 people at a small college no one heard of FSogol Thursday #17
Wondering why no one has thought to simply employ drones to track roofs for movement and alert authorities? Lettuce Be Thursday #18
Because "crime" BumRushDaShow Thursday #19

SunSeeker

(56,638 posts)
1. "these things, unfortunately, they happen"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:19 AM
Thursday

They sure seem to happen a lot more in the US than other countries.

Irish_Dem

(74,729 posts)
3. American police are not going to spend a lot of time or money preventing gun violence.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:26 AM
Thursday

Why should they?

It is what the American people want.
Worship guns at all costs.

Why should the cops countervene that fact?

hatrack

(63,547 posts)
4. What are "lax security measures" at a university that allows people to carry guns on campus?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:40 AM
Thursday

Just wondering . . .

Can I Carry a Firearm at UVU? Your Guide to Utah Valley University’s Firearm Policy

Yes, with certain limitations, you can carry a firearm at Utah Valley University (UVU) if you are legally permitted to do so under Utah state law. Utah is an open carry state, and UVU, as a public institution, generally adheres to state law regarding firearms. However, it’s crucial to understand the specific nuances and restrictions outlined in Utah state law and UVU’s policies to avoid unintentional violations.
Understanding Utah’s Firearm Laws and UVU’s Policies

Utah’s firearms laws are relatively permissive. Generally, individuals 21 years of age or older who are legally allowed to possess a firearm can openly carry a firearm without a permit. Furthermore, individuals 18 years of age or older can obtain a Concealed Firearm Permit (CFP), which allows them to carry a concealed handgun. This is a summary and we encourage readers to review Utah Code Title 53, Chapter 5a: Uniform Firearms Act.

EDIT

Ed. - And so on . . . .

https://thegunzone.com/can-i-carry-a-firearm-at-uvu/

angrychair

(11,123 posts)
16. Utah had passed a law
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:49 AM
Thursday

Allowing concealed carry on college campuses.
The person must be at least 18 with a provisional CC, can carry on a college campus and keep the weapon in their dorm room. Law changed as of May of this 2025.

bucolic_frolic

(52,385 posts)
6. Jan6 encouraged violence
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:59 AM
Thursday

and a few deranged people are still running with it. On both sides probably. Fight, fight, fight was a message, an enablement almost. "If you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore." Republicans were silent about it. They're still trying to debunk the J6 Committee conclusions. Their agenda is more important than peace, or truth. I have no idea how we get out of this era or mindset.

eppur_se_muova

(39,983 posts)
8. "Sorry your horse escaped. Hey, did you know your barn door was open ?"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 07:29 AM
Thursday

Don't worry, we'll bring in the military to preserve order until the crisis has passed.

melm00se

(5,123 posts)
9. Lets look at reality when it comes to security
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 07:50 AM
Thursday

As the radius of a circle increases, the area of the circle increases as a square of the radius.

A = πr²

So the number of people necessary to secure the area increases rather dramatically.

I seriously doubt that anyone seriously considered that an attempt would be made at 200m distance as that, despite what all the keyboard Chris Kyle's out there will say, is not any easy shot.

If they did, they would have posted people on the various rooftops that had LOS to the stage and locked down access to those areas.

Additionally, historically, a lot of assissinations are/were close range and personal (JFK and MLK notwithstanding) by someone getting within almost touching range of the target.

Glorious bastard

(37 posts)
11. It is not lax security, it is lax gun policies in Utah.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:53 AM
Thursday

Security begins with permissive weapon possession. Everyone there is at risk..A university campus is no exception. Kirk was as much at risk as everyone in that event. He just happened to be a known public figure and an intended target of the shooter. This is the only reason we hear about this shooting and no other shootings in Utah.

Glorious bastard

(37 posts)
15. Make it lax gun policies in the US.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:12 AM
Thursday

And rifles not having to be registered is one small example of that, even if not the most outrageous one.

Torchlight

(5,679 posts)
12. 'These things happen' seems our only national response. Every time.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:57 AM
Thursday

Important people will say important things. Hateful people will say hateful things. Parades, pontifications and payments...but no policy.

And then it happens again.

FSogol

(47,451 posts)
17. How much security is required for a talk to less than 3000 people at a small college no one heard of
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:21 PM
Thursday

before yesterday? Improving security isn't answer, getting rid of guns is the answer. Anything else is just theater.

Lettuce Be

(2,342 posts)
18. Wondering why no one has thought to simply employ drones to track roofs for movement and alert authorities?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:45 PM
Thursday

Wouldn't it be fairly simple to fly a few drones at these events, making sure there's no one poised on a rooftop with a rifle?

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