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mahatmakanejeeves

(66,706 posts)
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 06:56 PM Sep 8

Florida surgeon general says decision to end school vaccine requirements wasn't based on data

Source: CBS News

HEALTHWATCH
Florida surgeon general says decision to end school vaccine requirements wasn't based on data

By Dr. Céline Gounder
Edited By Paula Cohen
September 8, 2025 / 3:50 PM EDT / CBS News

Florida's top health official said last week that the state will start dismantling school vaccine mandates, something no other state has done in modern U.S. history. On Sunday, in a CNN interview with Jake Tapper, Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo confirmed that his department did no data analysis or projections on how the change could affect outbreaks of diseases like measles, polio or whooping cough.

When Tapper pressed him, Ladapo said he didn't think modeling was needed. "Ultimately, this is an issue very clearly of parents' rights," he said. "So do I need to analyze whether it's appropriate for parents to be able to decide what goes into their [child's body]? I don't need to do an analysis on that."

The rollback, announced on Sept. 3, starts with rule changes that drop vaccine requirements for hepatitis B and chickenpox. Other vaccines — like those for measles, polio and whooping cough (pertussis) — are written into state law, so lawmakers would have to vote to remove them. Ladapo said he also wants those gone, calling vaccine rules a violation of "bodily autonomy."

Without projections about the potential impact, hospitals can't plan for enough staff, beds or children's ICU care if there are outbreaks of preventable diseases. Between 2008 and 2022, the U.S. lost about 20% of children's hospital beds, especially in rural areas, which means many families must travel farther to get care. Children's hospitals aren't built to handle big waves of sick kids. During the influenza, COVID and RSV surges in 2022 and 2023, hospitals quickly ran out of space.

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Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-surgeon-general-school-vaccine-requirements/

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Florida surgeon general says decision to end school vaccine requirements wasn't based on data (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Sep 8 OP
So in short, boonecreek Sep 8 #1
We're going to have to go way down this road before antivax dumb fucks experience regret. maxsolomon Sep 8 #2
They won't have time to experience regret, mwmisses4289 Sep 8 #12
The residents of Florida will face a steep learning curve. Irish_Dem Sep 8 #3
Don't hold yer breath mdbl Sep 9 #15
Their ignorance and immorality may be their downfall. Irish_Dem Sep 9 #16
But FloriDUH is also extremely short..... SergeStorms Sep 9 #30
So if they don't report that bad news, it doesn't exist. Irish_Dem Sep 9 #31
Republican "alternative facts" at their finest. SergeStorms Thursday #34
Are abortion rights bodily autonomy? Marthe48 Sep 8 #4
Isn't Matthew28 Sep 8 #5
Right on! Marthe48 Sep 8 #6
That was my first thought.. weird ideas about "bodily autonomy"! slightlv Sep 8 #11
What about my childrens' and my right to not be exposed to easily preventable diseases (for most of these) progree Sep 8 #7
They don't care Rebl2 Sep 8 #8
They are too damn uneducated to understand infectious diseases. Walleye Sep 9 #27
The Rules Of Society BidenRocks Sep 8 #9
At one time, Florida had the strongest and most comprehensive vaccine insurance coverage mandates yellowdogintexas Sep 8 #10
Yeah, no shit . . . hatrack Sep 8 #13
Start ordering iron lungs in about a year...polio will be comeback player of the year JT45242 Sep 9 #14
Iron lungs have been replaced with modern ventilators womanofthehills Sep 9 #22
Yeah, we know. Republicans--least of all in 2025--never base their decisions on data. They base them on spite and Karasu Sep 9 #17
Evidently it won"t affect private schools Old Crank Sep 9 #18
There is no right to spread disease ninjanurse Sep 9 #19
Except for guns, of course. Endanger away! travelingthrulife Sep 9 #24
Children died of religion ninjanurse Sep 9 #20
I remember having to tell a young woman that her Jehovah's Witness brother travelingthrulife Sep 9 #25
"Florida surgeon general says decision to end school vaccine requirements wasn't based on data" Ray Bruns Sep 9 #21
This fool needs to lose his license. travelingthrulife Sep 9 #23
I wonder if private schools in Florida have implemented their own vaccine protocol Walleye Sep 9 #26
When he said that kacekwl Sep 9 #28
Harvard educated. Pfftt. I'm 74 and a retired nurse practitioner. I spent most of my adult life... 3catwoman3 Sep 9 #29
No kidding, dickhead. Aristus Sep 9 #32
"Fuck people who actually know what they're talking about! Whenever I'm sick, struggle4progress Sep 9 #33

maxsolomon

(37,356 posts)
2. We're going to have to go way down this road before antivax dumb fucks experience regret.
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 07:44 PM
Sep 8

The consequences should start right around the time the Dotard leaves office.

Ladapo is HARVARD-trained.

mwmisses4289

(2,216 posts)
12. They won't have time to experience regret,
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 10:20 PM
Sep 8

because they and their children will be 6 feet under because of their stupidity.

mdbl

(7,362 posts)
15. Don't hold yer breath
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:03 AM
Sep 9

I have a lot of blockhead relatives in Fla. They don't come much dumber.

SergeStorms

(19,745 posts)
30. But FloriDUH is also extremely short.....
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 05:17 PM
Sep 9

of reporting data that doesn't fit the rabid-right's narratives. See, no problem!

SergeStorms

(19,745 posts)
34. Republican "alternative facts" at their finest.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:02 PM
Thursday

If bad news isn't reported it doesn't exist. Right-wing "communication" 101. 😁

Matthew28

(1,853 posts)
5. Isn't
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 08:36 PM
Sep 8

Being trans and having surgery on your body also body autonomy? Oh'yesss, only things that help people are to be banned or fucked with. What fucked up people.

Isn't also being gay and living your life the way you wish also body autonomy and personal freedom??

Marthe48

(21,816 posts)
6. Right on!
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 08:40 PM
Sep 8

the regime legitimizes the most damaging behavior and criminalizes the personal choices that harm no one. And is hellbent on removing safeguards that allow us to live full, healthy lives.



progree

(12,313 posts)
7. What about my childrens' and my right to not be exposed to easily preventable diseases (for most of these)
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 08:43 PM
Sep 8

because some me-me-me assholes are only thinking about themselves, and not about the people they and their children will likely infect if unvaxxed.

Rebl2

(16,970 posts)
8. They don't care
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 08:53 PM
Sep 8

They seem to want to kill as many people as possible including children. Were they not the ones (GOP) wanting women to have more children? You are going to have many dead children with this type of policy.

BidenRocks

(2,205 posts)
9. The Rules Of Society
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 09:58 PM
Sep 8

Things we do to get along in the world.

We did the 'No Vaccine' thing. Remember Columbus? How about the Aztecs getting killed by new diseases. Native Americans? Smallpox?

Every explorer killed the people they met.

Let's do that again!

yellowdogintexas

(23,472 posts)
10. At one time, Florida had the strongest and most comprehensive vaccine insurance coverage mandates
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 10:04 PM
Sep 8

in the US.
I was a medical claims analyst for many years. At the time the Florida mandate covered all well child care through age 18, and all the immunizations which were available at that time. Health insurance was required to pay for it too.

This just makes me so mad!!

hatrack

(63,563 posts)
13. Yeah, no shit . . .
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 11:17 PM
Sep 8

It was based on Freedumb and bullshit and Doing Your Own Research.

Have fun, Sunshine State.

JT45242

(3,626 posts)
14. Start ordering iron lungs in about a year...polio will be comeback player of the year
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 05:04 AM
Sep 9

These idiots will kill or cripple millions.

I wonder how many are already investing in companies that make iron lungs, or other businesses that will make bank when these diseases start surging in a few years.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
17. Yeah, we know. Republicans--least of all in 2025--never base their decisions on data. They base them on spite and
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:46 AM
Sep 9

ideological contrarianism.

ninjanurse

(113 posts)
19. There is no right to spread disease
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:30 AM
Sep 9

When I was working as a nurse I had to observe a man take pills to treat his tuberculosis. He didn’t want to, but it was either that or being confined to a medical facility. In the past, people with active tuberculosis were confined for months until they died or became non-contagious. I also gave court ordered injections to people with psychosis, it was that or stay in a mental institution. There’s a long tradition in law that says you don’t have a right to endanger the public.

travelingthrulife

(3,251 posts)
24. Except for guns, of course. Endanger away!
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:41 AM
Sep 9

I agree. So if the child decides to ingest poison from under the kitchen sink, he should be allowed to do that because we don't want to impede his freedom?

ninjanurse

(113 posts)
20. Children died of religion
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 07:32 AM
Sep 9

There are cases of children dying because their parents, under the influence of religion, withheld insulin injections. I think Dr. Ladapo is using religion, not science, in his policy.

travelingthrulife

(3,251 posts)
25. I remember having to tell a young woman that her Jehovah's Witness brother
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:44 AM
Sep 9

who was a perfect match for the transplant she needed, refused to donate the 300ml of stem cell product she would need because his religion forbade it.
She died.

kacekwl

(8,578 posts)
28. When he said that
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sep 9

how could he not be run out of the building and out of the state. If anyone in the world didn't scream for his firing and loss of licence then it's on you for allowing him to continue.

3catwoman3

(27,698 posts)
29. Harvard educated. Pfftt. I'm 74 and a retired nurse practitioner. I spent most of my adult life...
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 9

…thinking that getting admitted to and graduating from med school and law school was an indicator of superior intellect.

I was wrong.

Aristus

(70,869 posts)
32. No kidding, dickhead.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 06:44 PM
Sep 9

It was based on a bunch of religious shit-for-brains, raising their hands and shouting "Homina-homina-homina!"

"Don't needs no vakseens cuz Ah bleeve in Jesus!..."

struggle4progress

(124,519 posts)
33. "Fuck people who actually know what they're talking about! Whenever I'm sick,
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 11:11 PM
Sep 9

I just boil some skunk fat with lots of black pepper in turpentine and take a goodly spoonful every hour or so until I'm either better or dead! I learned that remedy from Paw, rest his soul"

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