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highplainsdem

(58,192 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:37 PM Sep 4

Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns, sources say

Source: CNN

In the wake of the Minneapolis Catholic church shooting, senior Justice Department officials are weighing proposals to limit transgender people’s right to possess firearms, according to two officials familiar with the internal discussions.

The talks, described as preliminary in nature, appear to build on an idea that has gained some currency in conservative media since the Minneapolis shooting that killed two children and injured 21, most of them children, at Annunciation Catholic Church, an attack that police say was carried out by a 23-year-old transgender woman.

Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.

-snip-

But Justice Department leadership is seriously considering whether it can use its rulemaking authority to follow on to Trump’s determination to bar military service by transgender people and declare that people who are transgender are mentally ill and can lose their Second Amendment rights to possess firearms, according to one Justice official.

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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/04/politics/transgender-firearms-justice-department-second-amendment

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Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns, sources say (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 4 OP
WTF Pachamama Sep 4 #1
they want to blame mass shootings on trans folk, immigrants, etc Skittles Sep 4 #10
It will be illegal to be a Trans or Gay person in this country very soon probably Eliot Rosewater Sep 4 #2
If they can do this with trans people, they could do it with gays, blacks, liberals, whomever they want AZJonnie Sep 4 #3
Name and gender changes are fairly easy to track on FBI background checks. The other stuff isn't. LeftInTX Sep 4 #30
Maybe they should just ban MEN from owning them TexasBushwhacker Sep 4 #4
How about banning Trump voters from owning weapons? C_U_L8R Sep 4 #5
I would like to see stats on rampaging transgender people, Bayard Sep 4 #6
Where's the 2A crowd? Trump is coming for your guns. /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 4 #7
The solution is the absolute right of any citizen The Mouth Sep 4 #27
And it's a short step to involuntary commitment. TommyT139 Sep 4 #8
They are doing that now with homeless Nigrum Cattus Sep 4 #17
Yep TommyT139 Sep 4 #24
If that's hildegaard28 Sep 4 #9
But not angry young Incel men... Chasstev365 Sep 4 #11
Cuz they're real 'Mericans. Redleg Sep 4 #15
The purpose is to allow easier mass arrests and detention. Oneironaut Sep 4 #12
Yup orangecrush Sep 4 #29
They will claim that it is a mental illness Redleg Sep 4 #13
Yep. hamsterjill Sep 4 #22
Which does nothing for all the other people who do mass shootings IronLionZion Sep 4 #14
Per CNN, in the last decade, there have been 5000 mass shootings. Staph Sep 4 #16
voting for trump is a mental disorder moonshinegnomie Sep 4 #18
Dump better be careful. Any ban on gun ownership could be widened. Could be a path to real gun regulation. Martin68 Sep 4 #19
How about if the transgender person indicates she'll return to being a full-time, dyed-in-the-wood male? Vinca Sep 4 #20
Looking at a few cases TommyT139 Sep 4 #26
This fascist obsession with less than 1% of the population is beyond neurotic. If they do this, it will set the Karasu Sep 4 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Sep 4 #23
Fantastic question gay texan Sep 4 #28
Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union muriel_volestrangler Sep 4 #25
Precedent...... First, they came for::: Norrrm Sep 4 #31

Skittles

(167,399 posts)
10. they want to blame mass shootings on trans folk, immigrants, etc
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:05 PM
Sep 4

doesn't matter that most mass shootings are done by homegrown straight white males, cannot touch THEM

Eliot Rosewater

(34,060 posts)
2. It will be illegal to be a Trans or Gay person in this country very soon probably
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:43 PM
Sep 4

Remember, RFK Junior believes vaccines are worse than the illnesses they cure so he will get rid of all vaccines and remember, the people pushing the buttons of the piece of shit hate Gay people and think that they are abnormal spawns of Satan.

But yeah you know some just couldn’t support Hillary or Kamala

AZJonnie

(1,497 posts)
3. If they can do this with trans people, they could do it with gays, blacks, liberals, whomever they want
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:44 PM
Sep 4

All those cases involve just making up some bullshit reason to do it. I'd think even most wingnuts aren't dumb enough to go along with this, but they've certainly surprised me with their stupidity and irrational hatred in the past, many times.

LeftInTX

(33,891 posts)
30. Name and gender changes are fairly easy to track on FBI background checks. The other stuff isn't.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:53 PM
Sep 4

So, if someone has changed their name and gender in the past, it should show up on the background check.

That's how they are able to force trans women into male prisons.

C_U_L8R

(48,049 posts)
5. How about banning Trump voters from owning weapons?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:50 PM
Sep 4

Hey magats, see how this works? Keep playing stupid games.

Bayard

(26,974 posts)
6. I would like to see stats on rampaging transgender people,
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:51 PM
Sep 4

Compared to rampaging MAGAts with guns.

The Mouth

(3,391 posts)
27. The solution is the absolute right of any citizen
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:29 PM
Sep 4

to own or carry anything, anywhere, regardless of any state or local laws.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,002 posts)
17. They are doing that now with homeless
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:53 PM
Sep 4

Even the law that was passed here in Cali the gov
and commit homeless people to "treatment" if
they refuse, because the gov knows everything

TommyT139

(1,880 posts)
24. Yep
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:11 PM
Sep 4

Which followed fast on the Supreme Court decision. Every side is taking advantage of that.

hildegaard28

(780 posts)
9. If that's
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:03 PM
Sep 4

The way they want to go, when Democrats take everything back the we can declare MAGAts to be mentally ill and take away their guns. And we can actually prove that they are mentally ill. There’s plenty of video evidence of MAGAts acting crazy in public.

Redleg

(6,600 posts)
15. Cuz they're real 'Mericans.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:34 PM
Sep 4

They are trying to stoke another panic over transgender people. It makes them feel tough and manly to punch the most vulnerable among us.

Oneironaut

(6,124 posts)
12. The purpose is to allow easier mass arrests and detention.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:29 PM
Sep 4

Unarmed people cannot fight back, and, it is one less thing for agents to worry about when rounding trans people up for mass detention.

hamsterjill

(16,538 posts)
22. Yep.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:46 PM
Sep 4

And it's really their Christian Nationalists beliefs. They don't care how they get there; they just want to get there. They will call it whatever they need to call it in order to get it done.

As someone mentioned upthread, next it will be another group. Women, etc.

IronLionZion

(49,900 posts)
14. Which does nothing for all the other people who do mass shootings
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:32 PM
Sep 4

because the problem with mass shootings are not who is doing the shooting. It's the guns.

Staph

(6,428 posts)
16. Per CNN, in the last decade, there have been 5000 mass shootings.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:35 PM
Sep 4

Four of those were by transgender individuals. I suspect that at least 90% were white males. Why don't we ban them from having guns?


Martin68

(26,458 posts)
19. Dump better be careful. Any ban on gun ownership could be widened. Could be a path to real gun regulation.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:12 PM
Sep 4

Vinca

(52,682 posts)
20. How about if the transgender person indicates she'll return to being a full-time, dyed-in-the-wood male?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:17 PM
Sep 4

Do they get to keep their AKs then? Man, woman, trans - does it really matter who's pulling the trigger? We need gun control, not trans control.

TommyT139

(1,880 posts)
26. Looking at a few cases
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:31 PM
Sep 4

...which are unrelated to firearms: some trans people looking to get identity documents (passports, drivers licenses) in their sex assigned at birth -- a number of those folks are in limbo. They are unable to switch back.

Now maybe if the regime starts to enact a program of not just forced de-transition (medically, which is already happening), but re-education -- they would need to have some indication of "repentance" or whatever. That's a scary line of thought, so I won't go further down that path on an open thread.

But even then, I could still see someone being denied access to enjoyment of their second amendment rights.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
21. This fascist obsession with less than 1% of the population is beyond neurotic. If they do this, it will set the
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:26 PM
Sep 4

precedent for them to ban any group they don't fucking like from owning anything they don't want them to. Which is the vast majority of this country.

Where are all those 2nd Amendment absolutists at now?

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

muriel_volestrangler

(104,693 posts)
25. Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:17 PM
Sep 4
There was systematic political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union,[1] based on the interpretation of political opposition or dissent as a psychiatric problem.[2] It was called "psychopathological mechanisms" of dissent.[3]

During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used to disable and remove from society political opponents (Soviet dissidents) who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted the official dogma.[4][5] The term "philosophical intoxication", for instance, was widely applied to the mental disorders diagnosed when people disagreed with the country's Communist leaders and, by referring to the writings of the Founding Fathers of Marxism–Leninism—Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Lenin—made them the target of criticism.[6] Another common pseudo-diagnosis was "sluggish schizophrenia".

Article 58-10 of the Stalin-era Criminal Code, "Anti-Soviet agitation", was to a considerable degree preserved in the new 1958 Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic Criminal Code as Article 70 "Anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda". In 1967, a weaker law, Article 190-1 "Dissemination of fabrications known to be false, which defame the Soviet political and social system", was added to the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic Criminal Code. These laws were frequently applied in conjunction with the system of diagnosis for mental illness, developed by academician Andrei Snezhnevsky. Together, they established a framework within which non-standard beliefs could easily be defined as a criminal offence and the basis, subsequently, for a psychiatric diagnosis.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
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