People come up to me with tears in their eyes saying, “sir, no one has ever seen numbers like this in the history of mankind! Even greater than the Bableeloniions!”

All this cutting funding causes new employment numbers to drop, which results in higher deficits overall.

TACO Don KNOWS everything about NOTHING! The economy that Joe Biden left him from the mess TACO Don left him, is BACK and back with a vengeance.

these numbers will strengthen or be corrected, and that's why revisions are a good thing. There are many different sources. Smaller companies don't submit 941s until months end or end of quarter.

It will be laughable if the BLS numbers show "YUUGE fantastic numbers!!11!!1!" after trump installed his toady.

his BLS appointee will give completely trustworthy numbers showing that everything is awesome.

This is something I posted July 2. So some of the numbers are not the latest, but it gives an idea of the difference between the "all" non-farm payrolls (BLS) and ADP numbers, which are private-sector only. I would update this if it were tomorrow when the BLS numbers come out so that we have a full set to compare.

The BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) data series --

# Nonfarm Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

# Nonfarm PRIVATE Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Monthly changes: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth
^-Good for comparison to the ADP report that typically comes out a few days earlier

According to the above links, In May, the "all" non-farm payroll employment was 159,561,000, while the private sector non-farm payroll employment was 135,968,000; so the private sector is about 85.2% the size of the "all".

Anyway, the 2nd link above (private) is what should be compared tomorrow to today's ADP report.

While I'm at it, I noticed that, according to the BLS in May (using the "monthly changes" links above), the private sector jobs grew by 140k while the "all" jobs grew by 139k.

For 2024, the "all" increased by an average of 167k / month, while the private sector increased by 130k / month. This is the kind of gap one would expect to see between "all" and private in a normal year.

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Also, the ADP numbers cover only about 20% of the nation's private workforce.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20191008a.htm

the ADP National Employment Report and ADP Small Business Report are derived from ADP payroll data representing 460,000 U.S. clients and nearly 26 million workers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html
the above link is no longer good, but archive.org has it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211207005815/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html

How they extrapolate from 20% to the remaining 80%, I have no idea.

This posting is from August 2, so some of the last numbers aren't the latest, but I'll wait til tomorrow when the BLS report comes out so I have a full set to compare. But it gives a picture of the very wide divergence between the 2 reports, even when private sector is compared to private sector.

Just to be clear, the BLS "First Friday" jobs reports headlines are not the private sector ones, but rather the "all" nonfarm payrolls that include government workers. But the BLS does produce a private sector data series as well

The first column is the BLS private payrolls number month-over-month increases https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth

The second column is the ADP private payrolls month-over-month increases https://fred.stlouisfed.org/data/ADPMNUSNERSA (I had to do spreadsheet work to come up with the month to month differences)

The 3rd column is the difference between the BLS and ADP numbers

The first 2 columns are month-over-month increases beginning with February 2023. In thousands.
Positive ones in the 3rd column mean that the BLS number was higher than the ADP number.
BLS ADP DIFF
250 157 93
48 -53 101
167 132 35
166 52 114
170 146 24
110 138 -28
108 119 -11
89 95 -6
117 130 -13
97 100 -3
213 95 118
73 129 -56
151 91 60
169 82 87
129 113 16
160 164 -4
66 136 -70
40 42 -2
33 180 -147
208 194 14
-1 221 -222
244 204 40
287 176 111
79 186 -107
107 84 23
114 147 -33
133 60 73
137 29 108
74 -23 97 - ADP revised from -33 to -23
83 104 -21 - for July, reported 7/30 by ADP and 8/1 by BLS

9/4/25 note: I see that the ADP revised July up from 104k to 106k /End 9/4/25 note
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I'm also reminded of the wild difference between two BLS employment measures (both below include government workers):

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143505265#post17

The headline payroll job numbers (+73,000 in July) come from the Establishment Survey
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes (in thousands): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
YEAR: JAN FEB MAR etc.
2022: 225 869 471 305 241 461 696 237 227 400 297 126
2023: 444 306 85 216 227 257 148 157 158 186 141 269
2024: 119 222 246 118 193 87 88 71 240 44 261 323
2025: 111 102 120 158 19 14 73
The last 2 months (June and July) are preliminary, subject to revisions
Last 12 months: 128k/month average

# Employed in thousands (down 260,000 in July) come from the separate Household Survey, http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000
Monthly changes (in thousands): http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth
If one adjusts the date range from 2021 to 2025, the graph is much more meaningful because it leaves out the huge swings of 2020 that greatly enlarges the Y axis and makes what follows look like tiny almost undiscernible squiggles around the zero axis
YEAR: JAN FEB MAR etc.
2022 1016 483 608 --315 487 --284 164 477 75 --126 --177 752
2023 958 178 417 162 --178 183 204 292 --33 --231 675 --762
2024 66 --177 412 70 --331 --9 64 206 377 --346 --273 478
2025 2234 --588 201 461 --696 93 --260
Last 12 months: 157k/month average
January and February of each year are affected by changes in population controls.
A very volatile data series from month to month. I used a double minus to make the negative ones stand out a little better
This Household Survey also produces the unemployment rate and labor force participation rate among many other stats

Assuming these are all honest numbers up to now, it just shows how different surveys get different results.

So I hope that a Nobel economics prize winner can tell us, in the future, when surveys vary wildly, which part of that is manipulation, and which part is, well statistical noise and methodology differences.

This posting stimulated by "Caracas on the Potomac (Krugman)"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220530941

also from the OP's article:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1116101005

look for more heads to roll.