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BumRushDaShow

(160,250 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:28 PM Sep 1

Trump Considers Reopening 'Insane Asylums' in Crusade Against Crime

Source: MEDIAite

Sep 1st, 2025, 12:42 pm


President Donald Trump says he would consider reopening insane asylums as he expands his anti-crime crackdown. Trump made the suggestion in a Daily Caller interview with reporter Reagan Reese that dropped Monday.

When Reese floated the possibility of the federal government reopening insane asylums for those with “serious mental illness,” Trump admitted he was open to it.

“Would you be open to the government reopening insane asylums for people with serious mental illness?” Reese asked. “Yeah I would,” Trump replied. “Well, they used to have them, and you never saw people like we had, you know, they used to have them,” he added. “And what happened is states like New York and California that had them, New York had a lot of them. They released them all into society because they couldn’t afford it. You know, it’s massively expensive.”

He added, “But we had, they were all over New York. I remember when I was growing up, Creedmoor. They had a place, Creedmoor, they had a lot of them, Bellevue, and they were closed by a certain governor. And I remember when they did, it was a long time ago, and I said they didn’t release these people? And they did. They released them into society, and that’s what you have. It’s a rough, it’s a rough situation.”

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-considers-reopening-insane-asylums-in-crusade-against-crime/



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Trump Considers Reopening 'Insane Asylums' in Crusade Against Crime (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 1 OP
He can be the first customer. Ocelot II Sep 1 #1
Agree. Plus he could fill it up with bluestarone Sep 1 #30
Egg Zack Lee Botany Sep 2 #63
Be careful what you ask for, you crazy MF'er. walkingman Sep 1 #2
Does anyone seriously use the term insane asylums? CurtEastPoint Sep 1 #3
No one in the medical/psych profession uses this term. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #9
Trump does. He thinks immigrants seeking asylum are released asylum patients. travelingthrulife Sep 1 #11
Wait until he starts in on the "sexual inverts" Prairie Gates Sep 1 #37
I think Reagan closed a lot of these facilities which did lead to... Lucky Luciano Sep 1 #4
Some of those facilities were truly awful, but just cutting people loose Ocelot II Sep 1 #7
You got all that from the OP? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2 #44
It's exactly what Reagan did, and I can't imagine Trump being more humane than Reagan. Ocelot II Sep 2 #49
Take it from us Californians who watched it all unfold when Reagan was our governor Hekate Sep 2 #53
I've noticed Trump following up on a lot of his delusions MadameButterfly Sep 2 #61
Reagan was gov. of California when he closed the asylums/hospitals, without the promised support system Hekate Sep 1 #40
Thanks for your input! Lucky Luciano Sep 2 #48
You are welcome. Thanks for reading it. Hekate Sep 2 #52
Wow. MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2 #46
Lemme guess: staffed by the most cruel of ICE's goons? sakabatou Sep 1 #5
Or the national guard. Maybe sent to the gulags. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #10
The Soviet Union would send dissidents to mental hospitals DBoon Sep 1 #19
Yes the western mental health community was appalled. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #20
He may try to put them in Alligator Alcatraz. greatauntoftriplets Sep 1 #32
Hitler killed the mentally ill. The handicapped, impaired, etc. Irish_Dem Sep 2 #55
A certain governor? No, Reagan cut their budgest for tax cuts. bucolic_frolic Sep 1 #6
Pataki (R) would down one of them BumRushDaShow Sep 1 #16
Well, Reagan (as Governor) was largely responsible for the deinstitutionalization movement in California Wiz Imp Sep 1 #23
I mean. If Trump really wanted to go to heaven, reversing all the horrible shit done by Reagan (and himself) SSJVegeta Sep 1 #27
Isn't returning to the Dark Ages fun. ananda Sep 1 #8
Americans will be getting horrible diseases now. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #12
Only if he checks himself in! MrWowWow Sep 1 #13
How many more can Mar a Lago hold? tanyev Sep 1 #14
One flew over the GOP nest multigraincracker Sep 1 #15
"They released (the mentally ill) into society..." LudwigPastorius Sep 1 #17
Just like in Russia Bmoboy Sep 1 #18
There has been some good various levels of mental heath housing in NYC from people I've occasionally met over some... electric_blue68 Sep 1 #21
Naturally, Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized. sop Sep 1 #22
There you go Bayard Sep 2 #51
From the University of Chicago Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neuroscience Wiz Imp Sep 1 #24
Deflection YET AGAIN? Brainfodder Sep 1 #25
He's barely comprehensible. Joinfortmill Sep 1 #26
......and fully reprehensible Prof. Toru Tanaka Sep 1 #33
ROFL. True. Joinfortmill Sep 2 #62
Yes MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2 #47
Trump is like Reagan, constantly revisiting a halycon past that doesn't exist anymore bucolic_frolic Sep 1 #28
White House is the insane asylum twodogsbarking Sep 1 #29
"Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized." J_William_Ryan Sep 1 #31
I thought he was irrevocably opposed to anyone having asylum. soldierant Sep 1 #34
They tore most of the ones in the Chicago area years ago. greatauntoftriplets Sep 1 #35
We really have the demented grampa "Back in my day!" bozo at the helm, huh? Prairie Gates Sep 1 #36
Close Hospitals for Mental Patients (Insane Asylums) topcelts Sep 1 #38
If so he should be committed. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 1 #39
Apparently he hasn't noticed most of the decayed structures Historic NY Sep 1 #41
Why does he think we have an unlimited supply of funds for all these pet projects? William Gustafson Sep 2 #42
It wasn't his idea MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2 #43
I thought Trump died? LeftInTX Sep 2 #45
I agree with TACO. Re-open them all, build hundreds more " insane asylums " for every Republican politician Bread and Circuses Sep 2 #50
He should be the first one committed. nt moniss Sep 2 #54
Creedmor and Bellevue are still operational Danmel Sep 2 #56
From what I had gone down the rabbit hole to find BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #57
I pass Creedmor all the time. It's off the Long Island Expressway in Queens. Danmel Sep 2 #59
My mom used to be a social worker here in PA (worked for the state and then the city back in the '50s) BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #60
Wow...I didn't realize Florida had been closed. n/t Cloudhopper Sep 2 #58
Trump Crazy House eringer Sep 2 #64

Botany

(75,308 posts)
63. Egg Zack Lee
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 09:04 AM
Sep 2

He is so crazy that in just the past month or so he:

*. Talked about regrassing the parks in Washington D.C. because he knew more about
grass than anybody in the world. There is no such a thing as regrassing.

*. He was so out to lunch that the Canadian Prime Minister had to stop a press conference
with he and Krasnov because Krasnov started to talk about illegals coming to vote in our
elections “but I won’t let ‘em.”

*. Welcomed the man, Vlad Putin, to a U.S. Military Base with a red carpet the very same
man who was paying 100 K per American soldier the Taliban killed in Afghanistan.

*. And some gibberish about Roger Clemens getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame and
if not he or somebody was going to sue Major League Baseball even though getting into
the Hall of Fame is under the control of the Baseball Writers.

CurtEastPoint

(19,660 posts)
3. Does anyone seriously use the term insane asylums?
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:32 PM
Sep 1

The reporter used it and of course if she's with the daily caller then that figures

Irish_Dem

(74,894 posts)
9. No one in the medical/psych profession uses this term.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:47 PM
Sep 1

With the advent of psych meds there is no longer a need for long term hospitalizations.
Of course RFK jr wants to change all that.

Prairie Gates

(6,281 posts)
37. Wait until he starts in on the "sexual inverts"
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 09:03 PM
Sep 1

I've seen some right wing nuts reviving that term. Guess who will be the first into the asylums?

Lucky Luciano

(11,741 posts)
4. I think Reagan closed a lot of these facilities which did lead to...
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:35 PM
Sep 1

…highly mentally unstable people living in homelessness. Something like this probably is not all terrible, but I sure as fuck don’t trust this regime with it. No doubt, they will start with the chronic homeless, followed by trans, then liberal activists, etc.

Ocelot II

(127,229 posts)
7. Some of those facilities were truly awful, but just cutting people loose
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:40 PM
Sep 1

with no support or outpatient care wasn't the answer, obviously. Trump wants to go back to the bad old days when mentally ill, chemically dependent and developmentally disabled people are locked up and warehoused so nobody has to see them or care for them except to feed them and keep them off the streets. That's the easy way out; really caring for people with serious mental disorders takes money and effort and Trump and the GOP don't want to bother with that.

MadameButterfly

(3,549 posts)
61. I've noticed Trump following up on a lot of his delusions
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:21 AM
Sep 2

He just wants things back the way they used to be and doesn't ever consider new information or why things have changed

Hekate

(99,470 posts)
40. Reagan was gov. of California when he closed the asylums/hospitals, without the promised support system
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 11:18 PM
Sep 1

Just so you know: TL-DR

We went from having almost no visible homeless to having an ever increasing number. It was a stark contrast. Did I mention he promised a support structure that never really came about? Supervised group homes. Professionals to monitor meds and ensure they were taken.

That said, in the 1990s when I served on the County Affirmative Action Commission, we went through a series of interviews with department heads, including the Sheriff. By that time I’d already read about the revolving door of mentally ill in the County jails in Los Angeles, our gigantic neighbor to the south, and had some questions.

First and foremost, since TrumpCo. is fixated on crime and severe punishment, I learned that the very great majority of offenses by the mentally ill were petty crime. Shoplifting food items was common. Yes, 7-11 franchisees need to be protected. But the behavior was so chronic and the jails so ill-equipped to deal with it, that a reasonable person might wonder if there were some other means of dealing with the problem. Law enforcement officers and prison guards have specific training, but it doesn’t include higher-level Psychology classes.

Second, so many were homeless and without the means to gain shelter and keep it. If vagrancy is still a crime (have not checked lately) and they keep ending up in jail — well again, jails are not designed to be homeless shelters.

Third — a lot of the homeless turned out to be dual-diagnosis. They might have a drug or alcohol addiction as well. Jails are not built to deal with that either.

Fourth — why would they turn to drugs or alcohol if they were receiving medication? Sometimes the meds are not available. Sometimes the meds have side-effects that make a person feel crappier. Some people (IF they are bi-polar) miss the “high” of their bipolar cycles (as a chronically depressed person myself, I think I can imagine why someone might want that back) . And finally, maybe the side-effects of alcohol or an addictive drug are not enough to deter a person from finding their own way of dealing with their demons. It’s a free country! No one can make them take meds if they don’t want to! They have the perfect freedom as an American to live and die under the freeway — because Freedom.

In my own self defense, please do not ever imagine that I think all homeless are mentally ill. Plenty of people are in danger of falling through holes in what we laughably call the social safety net. There are just so many vulnerable Americans.

Finally, and from the heart: fuck Ronald Reagan forever.

DBoon

(24,283 posts)
19. The Soviet Union would send dissidents to mental hospitals
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:00 PM
Sep 1

Criticism of the regime was seen as a form of mental illness:

In the Brezhnev era a new disease was described: ‘sluggish’ or ‘creeping’
schizophrenia, the only symptom of which was the expression of politically
unacceptable views. Dissidents were treated with massive doses of psychoactive
drugs, which produced agonising side effects.

According to one former detainee, Viktor Fainberg, confining political
activists in a mental hospital not only punished the offenders, but also
discredited their ideas in the eyes of the Soviet public which, by and large,
has a rather intolerant attitude to mental illness. Even in ‘mild’ cases
of dissent – for instance, criticising the lack of safety precautions in
the workplace – just placing the offender’s name on the psychiatric register
was enough to ensure years of discrimination in employment, housing and
the educational prospects of the offender’s children
.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13217951-100-soviet-union-admits-to-abuses-of-psychiatry/

Just wait until they decide being a liberal is a psychiatric disease. Oh wait, aren't they already saying this?

Irish_Dem

(74,894 posts)
20. Yes the western mental health community was appalled.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:04 PM
Sep 1

That Russian professionals would label dissenters as mentally ill.

Now we may soon see the same thing here in the US.

Irish_Dem

(74,894 posts)
55. Hitler killed the mentally ill. The handicapped, impaired, etc.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 06:12 AM
Sep 2

Today some of these illnesses are easily treated with medication.

bucolic_frolic

(52,410 posts)
6. A certain governor? No, Reagan cut their budgest for tax cuts.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:39 PM
Sep 1

Psychiatrists assured everyone that medications would improve the lives of the afflicted.

Try reading a new book, "UnShrunk" to see how that turned out! Author is Laura Delano.

Wiz Imp

(7,212 posts)
23. Well, Reagan (as Governor) was largely responsible for the deinstitutionalization movement in California
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:11 PM
Sep 1
https://capitolweekly.net/the-republican-who-emptied-the-asylums/

In the public’s collective imagination, Ronald Reagan is most often credited or blamed for emptying state mental hospitals, and subsequently failing to provide adequate care for former patients or people who in years past would have been patients. In reality, Gov. Reagan took his cue from Lanterman.

That there are tens of thousands of Californians with mental illness locked in prisons or living on the streets today cannot be blamed solely on decisions made in the 1960s.

There have been seven gubernatorial administrations since Reagan left office in 1975. Since Lanterman retired in 1978, hundreds of legislators have come and gone. But aftershocks continue from the seismic public policy shift that took place in California in 1967.

SSJVegeta

(1,478 posts)
27. I mean. If Trump really wanted to go to heaven, reversing all the horrible shit done by Reagan (and himself)
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:41 PM
Sep 1

Might be a decent start.


Let's start with the reagan tax cuts and move from there.

Irish_Dem

(74,894 posts)
12. Americans will be getting horrible diseases now.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:49 PM
Sep 1

No vaccines, no treatments, no healthcare.

This is one of the torture strategies.

LudwigPastorius

(13,414 posts)
17. "They released (the mentally ill) into society..."
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:56 PM
Sep 1

...and society turned right around and released one into the Oval Office.

Bmoboy

(534 posts)
18. Just like in Russia
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 06:57 PM
Sep 1

Political opposition candidates get locked away "for their own good."

I can hear the ECT machines humming away.

electric_blue68

(23,890 posts)
21. There has been some good various levels of mental heath housing in NYC from people I've occasionally met over some...
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:04 PM
Sep 1

years.

Probably not enough, and some could be improved from reading what other people had to say. And some physch meds have such nasty side effects some people living w mental illness stop taking them. Then there are some people who don't take them period.

My dad suffered from several severe depressions, so I educated myself.

Fuck, drumph, and his cruel ideas!

sop

(16,048 posts)
22. Naturally, Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:05 PM
Sep 1

Once declared insane, It will be easier to incarcerate them without due process.

Bayard

(26,989 posts)
51. There you go
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 01:53 AM
Sep 2

I'm betting he will have a lot of his Dem enemies list declared insane.

But it will also stigmatize a lot of people with mental illness all over again.

Wiz Imp

(7,212 posts)
24. From the University of Chicago Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neuroscience
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:19 PM
Sep 1
https://psychiatry.uchicago.edu/news/mike-pence-said-liberals-emptied-mental-health-hospitals-1960s-they-didnt-act-alone

Would it be possible to reinstitutionalize the seriously mentally ill today? Experts agreed it would be unrealistic to return to mass institutionalization.

The law likely wouldn’t allow it, given several U.S. Supreme Court decisions that raised the threshold for involuntary commitment, including O’Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 and Addington v. Texas and Parham v. J.R. in 1979. "It would probably be impermissible to continue to hold someone who has been successfully treated with medication, unless it can be shown they will go off their meds once released," Vanderbilt’s Slobogin said.

Even if mass institutionalization were to return, it’s unlikely to reduce violence enough to outweigh the financial and societal costs, said Linda A. Teplin, vice chair for research in the department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine. Because the vast majority of people committed would be nonviolent, she said, it would neither be cost-effective for reducing crime nor beneficial for the health of the people who would be institutionalized.

"Substance use, inequality and lack of opportunity, and access to guns are the major drivers of violence," rather than mental illness in a vacuum, Cohen said. Blaming serious mental illness "is just a diversion tactic."




bucolic_frolic

(52,410 posts)
28. Trump is like Reagan, constantly revisiting a halycon past that doesn't exist anymore
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:45 PM
Sep 1

Rose-colored glasses with Nazi anti-glare glaze.

J_William_Ryan

(3,002 posts)
31. "Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized."
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 07:54 PM
Sep 1

Clearly this is an attack on transgender Americans most on the hateful, bigoted right consider to be ‘mentally ill.’

greatauntoftriplets

(178,248 posts)
35. They tore most of the ones in the Chicago area years ago.
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 08:48 PM
Sep 1

Conditions reportedly were dismal in the Victorian-era buildings. Is TACO going to give Illinois the money to rebuild?

topcelts

(22 posts)
38. Close Hospitals for Mental Patients (Insane Asylums)
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 09:10 PM
Sep 1

Reagan closed these facilities 1970s. It's a Republican thing. We don't need them now we need them. Will we be hiring a new breed of doctors. "Mengele anybody?" Master Race here we come

Historic NY

(39,279 posts)
41. Apparently he hasn't noticed most of the decayed structures
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 11:40 PM
Sep 1

around the country that once served that function. They would have to build them. Some places have secure facilities for the criminally insane but they are those adjudicated by the courts.

William Gustafson

(507 posts)
42. Why does he think we have an unlimited supply of funds for all these pet projects?
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 12:07 AM
Sep 2

How is he going to pay for any of these projects? We would be bankrupt by the beginning of the new year at this rate!!

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,683 posts)
43. It wasn't his idea
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 12:16 AM
Sep 2

"When Reese floated the possibility of the federal government reopening insane asylums for those with 'serious mental illness,' *rump admitted he was open to it."

He "admitted" it?

This is so disingenuous. He considered it after it was suggested to him. He would probably consider any stupid thing anybody brings up to him. He doesn't know what the hell he's saying.

Bread and Circuses

(1,155 posts)
50. I agree with TACO. Re-open them all, build hundreds more " insane asylums " for every Republican politician
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 01:27 AM
Sep 2

Danmel

(5,583 posts)
56. Creedmor and Bellevue are still operational
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 06:26 AM
Sep 2

Run by the New York State Office of Mental Health and NYC Health, respectively.
Creedmor is in Queens. He's just so profoundly stupid and lazy.

https://omh.ny.gov/omhweb/facilities/crpc/

BumRushDaShow

(160,250 posts)
57. From what I had gone down the rabbit hole to find
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 06:30 AM
Sep 2

was that most of Creedmor's campus was pretty much dismantled and sold off but they maintain a building for the care of a couple hundred legacy psychiatric patients. And I believe Bellevue basically rebranded their psychiatric care away from the "asylum" model.

Danmel

(5,583 posts)
59. I pass Creedmor all the time. It's off the Long Island Expressway in Queens.
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 07:35 AM
Sep 2

Pilgrim State Psychiatric hospital is still open on long Island although much smaller than it was.
There is still a need for long term psychiatrist care, and institutional care is not inherently bad. But resources need to be provided and support services need to be in place.

BumRushDaShow

(160,250 posts)
60. My mom used to be a social worker here in PA (worked for the state and then the city back in the '50s)
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 08:11 AM
Sep 2

and used to be assigned cases in the psychiatric facilities here. She would sometimes tell us heartbreaking stories about what she saw. The one we had here was called "Byberry" (Philadelphia State Hospital at Byberry).





https://hsp.org/philadelphia-state-hospital-byberry

It was brutal - not just the care but the environmental conditions (asbestos, etc) of the old buildings themselves (and of course the care methods were shifting), and it was finally announced that it would be closed in the late '80s. But due to the leftover population in there, it took several years to transfer them to other facilities (a bunch went to the closest facility at the time which was "Norristown State Hospital" ).

I remember driving by it before it closed when I was substitute teaching or traveling up to "the Far Northeast" (as that part of Philly was dubbed). They finally tore down the buildings by the mid-2000s and a developer came in to build an "active retirement" community on the large property.

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