Trump is creating a country for rich white people only, and that’s exactly what Republicans want. Some Republicans might complain occasionally, but he is doing exactly what they voted for, which is to burn the country down and hurt liberals.

or six feet deep.

If JD never calls the meeting, then 25A will never be voted on. This was the same problem with Mike Pence, who clearly KNEW that Chump was off his rocker but refused to do anything about it.

Along with every cabinet member who conspired to remove Dear Leader. They would have to triple security for themselves and their families. No shortage of crazed heavily armed vengeful MAGAts.

The only way 25A would happen is if Diaper Don was truly incapacited. Firing Lisa Cook ain't gonna do it. His myriad overreaches of presidential power are in the 2025 playbook, fully supported by the sycopants in his cabinet and R's in Congress.

From every Dem in Congress, every governor, editorials, and every protester in the streets. He is an immediate danger to the country, its population, and democracy.

But Vance will not be much better.

that his grandpa does, and he can't get it. The RNC and the wrong side of Congress won't grovel before him as they do The Felon. The cult members themselves might give it the old fifth-grade try, but they'd soon realize there's nothing there.

Dance would be ineffective. Besides -- I have a strong sense there's a lot of Spiro Agnew in his background.

It's desperately needed and God knows it's justified, but it'll never happen without constant advocacy from Democratic leadership---which, as usual, is nowhere in sight. Maybe Newsom can do something about this.

Link to tweet

Apparently, it is real. From the so-called president of the US. Hurry up with that 25th Amendment!

he will take the entire world down with him!

he IS THAT SICK!

I really with folks who advocate for using the 25th amendment against trump would stop for a minute and think about how the 25th works. Specifically, even if the VP and a majority of the cabinet invoked the 25th, Trump can return to office simply by sending a notification to Congress that he is not "unable to discharge the powers and duties" of the office." Thereafter, the VP and the cabinet have four days to send another notice to Congress declaring that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties" of the office. It then falls on Congress to determine the issue -- a 2/3 majority vote of both houses is required.

Impeachment on the other hand only requires a majority in the House and conviction requires 2/3 in the Senate.

Finally, Trump may be a whack job, but he is not "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" -- he's just doing so in a way a lot of us hate.

gets "orders" (from elsewhere) to do a (allegorical) "Brutus" (re: Julius Caesar) on him for some "phase 2" of the implementation of autocracy.

(of course we know in Caesar's case, it made no difference in the ultimate outcome of the empire - at least immediately)

Because 25 only removes the president until he signs and sends a letter to Congress saying that he's fine... upon which time he resumes power unless the cabinet and two-thirds of both houses vote him out.

So onenote is correct - impeachment is easier.

Remember this?

H.Res.21 - Calling on Vice President Michael R. Pence to convene and mobilize the principal officers of the executive departments of the Cabinet to activate section 4 of the 25th Amendment to declare President Donald J. Trump incapable of executing the duties of his office and to immediately exercise powers as acting President.

And Pence declined - Letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi on 25th Amendment Resolution

But the Amendment says this -

I'm not sure you're reading that correctly. There is no scenario where he can be removed if he doesn't want to go (without that double 2/3 majority). It doesn't matter whether he submits the initial letter (as with going under general anesthesia) or the VP and cabinet remove him.

The VP and principal officers is just the trigger for Congress to weigh in after he sends in a letter saing he isn't incapacitated (which he can do whether he triggered 25A himself or the VP/cabinet did).

and the reason for the RESOLUTION AND the RESPONSE from Pence.

Did you read any of that?

The Resolution was submitted by the-then Speaker of the House of Representatives - Nancy Pelosi, was voted on, and passed - https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/21/text

(Roll Call - https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202114)

They do not.

The resolution plays no constitutional role in the process. She was just hoping to put some republicans on the record defending him while he was already on the way out the door (note the date?).

The only interesting addition in this case it that it was mere days before he left office... so a four-day pause between removal and returning to power might actually accomplish something.

A four-day pause now has no effect at all.

Once again - onenote was correct that impeachment (which I'll remind you happened the day after this resolution) is easier because it only requires 2/3 of the senate. 25A requires 2/3 of both chambers unless you think Trump wouldn't immediately say that he was fine to continue in office.

And THAT is your "assumption".

I watched all this play out on CSPAN and listened to the debate. A process was followed as an official communication between the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate (Pence) regarding the disposition of the President of the United States after the Capitol chambers were occupied and trashed, and the President did nothing. That was an interesting historic circumstance that happened.

Right now this same President has wantonly violated the Constitution and multiple laws that I have posted about over and over and over - the "Budget Control and Impoundment Act", the "Antideficiency Act", multiple Civil Service Acts. etc.

For people to dismiss that and wave it away yet argue nonsense about actual alternate procedural mechanisms carried about by Congressional leadership that went beyond "impeachment", which did later happen in 2021 (but which won't happen right now while the GOP controls the House), boggles the mind.

Why are you confusing my correcting your error on what the Constitution actually says with supporting someone else's error on what the Constitution says? I don't have to support Trump's actions to point out (correctly) that it's easier to remove a president through impeachment than through the 25th Amendment.

an official communication between the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate

And the official reply that was basically "that's not how 25A works and you know it" - so the House followed up with something they actually had the power to do.

…from Trump’s first term:

1. The impeachment process in the Constitution is a proven failure.

2. The 25th Amendment is also a proven failure. Complete and total.

Both because of political Parties. That the founders wanted to avoid.

And I bet there are more people talking about it than just us here.

And I bet even more people are thinking about it but may be reluctant to say anything out loud.

The 25th amendment was written to prevent a crazy person from being President.
But it relies on the rest of the political system to be not-crazy, and currently it isn't sane, so the 25th can go suck eggs, it has no teeth.

Like that 'other' amendment, the one about guns.
You can have a muzzle loader in your house to protect the country for when the British invade.
That one morphed out of all recognition.

I.e., it is one's "duty" to abide by court orders and follow processes and procedures - ESPECIALLY those who are elected to office and take an oath to do so.

Criminals are the ones who don't care about "the honor system" and wantonly violate laws for their own benefit, and this current group of elected GOP loons fits that description.

It was written to address the situation where a president physically cannot discharge the duties and powers of the office. It was intended to deal with the situation where a president is in a coma, or is under anesthesia, or otherwise not cognizant and able to do things like sign legislation, veto bills, conduct diplomatic relations. Proposals for something like the 25th amendment had been discussed for several years, but it was the Kennedy Assassination that created the impetus to push it forward to adoption and ratification as concerns were expressed about the possibility of a president being in an extended period of unconsciousness.

While Section 4 has has never been invoked, section 3 has been invoked a few times, including by Reagan (albeit clumsily),GW Bush, and Joe Biden), in each instance prior to going into a medical procedure where they would be unconscious for a period of time.

The fact is that Trump is able to discharge the powers and duties of the office of the Presidency. Indeed, it is the very fact that he is discharging those powers -- signing legislation, conducting diplomatic affairs, acting as commander in chief, etc. that makes us all so fearful -- because we realize he is discharging them in a way we find abhorrent. But as folks may have noticed, not everyone finds his actions abhorrent and, most significantly, his cabinet seems to absolutely love the way he discharges his powers.

When repubs argued that section 4 of the 25th should have been invoked against Joe Biden, I made exactly the same argument as made above -- Joe was perfectly capable of carrying out the duties and powers of the presidency and the fact that MAGAs didn't like it wasn't a valid basis for invoking the 25th.

They would eat him alive.

Democrats and liberals need to hammer home at every opportunity -- on all the talk shows, in all the interviews and op-eds. Put the motherfuckers on constant defense, especially The Felon himself, because sooner or later he'll erupt into proof it's correct (which we've all known for years).

And don't worry about the JV Dance being "not much better." He couldn't have The Felon's cult following, and therefore couldn't have his Hitleresque power.