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BumRushDaShow

(160,177 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 05:04 AM Aug 15

Federal judge startled by 'basic loophole' Trump created to justify 'unlawful' firing of agency president

Source: Law & Crime

Aug 14th, 2025, 5:09 pm


The president and CEO of a congressionally created independent U.S. agency, subjected to dismantling by the U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and President Donald Trump, was unlawfully sent packing based on a nonexistent "loophole" that "makes no sense," a federal judge ruled Thursday.

Sara Aviel had for roughly three years headed the Inter-American Foundation (IAF), a grantor which exists by statute to invest in and promote democratic development "across Latin America and the Caribbean." However, one month after Trump's second inauguration, POTUS and DOGE took aim at the agency and many others like it. In February, Trump issued Executive Order 14217 with the express purpose that "unnecessary" federal bureaucracy "be eliminated to the maximum extent consistent with applicable law[.]"

U.S. District Judge Loren AliKhan, Washington, D.C.'s former solicitor general and a Joe Biden appointee whom her critics described as "extreme" prior to her confirmation, has already been a thorn in the Trump administration's side in this case, other firing cases, and for Trump's executive orders targeting law firms.

Now AliKhan has issued a declaratory judgment finding that Aviel's "alleged firing" violated the Appointments Clause of the Constitution and the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. As a result, the "alleged termination was without legal effect and she remains the lawful president of the IAF," AliKhan said. The man who purported to replace her, Pete Marocco, "was not properly appointed as an acting IAF Board member and lacked any authority to take actions in that role," the judge ruled.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/has-worrisome-implications-federal-judge-startled-by-basic-loophole-trump-created-to-justify-unlawful-firing-of-agency-president/



Full headline: 'Has worrisome implications': Federal judge startled by 'basic loophole' Trump created to justify 'unlawful' firing of agency president

Link to RULING (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26051808/iaf-firing.pdf
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Federal judge startled by 'basic loophole' Trump created to justify 'unlawful' firing of agency president (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 15 OP
Republicons obviously hate Christ and his teachings BoRaGard Aug 15 #1
They hate most of those teachings IbogaProject Aug 15 #17
The only reason these illegal firings have had the effects they have is because... Hugin Aug 15 #2
Yes, this needs to change NJCher Aug 15 #5
Some do, but most reporters just do straight reporting and don't want to make that sort of LymphocyteLover Aug 15 #13
Yes NJCher Aug 15 #15
Also Congressional REPUBLICANS DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR GUY BREAKING THE LAW LymphocyteLover Aug 15 #12
THIS is how he's so powerful. bluestarone Aug 15 #16
Neither do Quanto Magnus Aug 15 #21
Awesome MaineBlueBear Aug 15 #3
Always gotta' get that NJCher Aug 15 #6
Yes, lest we forget MaineBlueBear Aug 15 #18
if that's the case NJCher Aug 15 #19
Sounds serious Torchlight Aug 15 #20
How are there four paragraphs here and we have no idea what the loophole in the headline is? Prairie Gates Aug 15 #4
From the link UpInArms Aug 15 #8
Clicking the link went right to the info wolfie001 Aug 15 #9
Posting just the loophole paragraph would have been fine Prairie Gates Aug 15 #10
Yes! That was the main point! wolfie001 Aug 15 #11
There is no "loophole". The judge stated that it was basically nonexistent but suddenly "created" in the idiotic E.O. BumRushDaShow Aug 15 #14
With 6 christo-fascist pigs sitting on the SC...... wolfie001 Aug 15 #7

IbogaProject

(4,976 posts)
17. They hate most of those teachings
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 10:11 AM
Aug 15

Be kind to immigrants, feed the poor, spend money now rather than hoard it. The GOP ignore all of that.

Hugin

(36,872 posts)
2. The only reason these illegal firings have had the effects they have is because...
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 05:55 AM
Aug 15

The media has treated them as if they were legitimate, when all along there has been no foundation in fact. There’s no there, there for most of what Trump and the Retrumplicans have ramrodded through. The misappropriation of funds, unconfirmed appointments, and even the use of the military for domestic law enforcement is still an open legal and legislative question. Yet, according to the media it’s all settled policy when in reality it’s only hubris holding it up.

NJCher

(41,413 posts)
5. Yes, this needs to change
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 06:35 AM
Aug 15

Why can’t they just come out and identify his actions as being those of a rogue presidency?

LymphocyteLover

(8,745 posts)
13. Some do, but most reporters just do straight reporting and don't want to make that sort of
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:29 AM
Aug 15

judgement call.

The real problem is FoxNews which gives Trump and Republicans an endless pass for everything and the rest of the media can't overcome their influence on the public.

NJCher

(41,413 posts)
6. Always gotta' get that
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 06:38 AM
Aug 15

Obligatory negative in there, don’t we?

Everybody knows this. Is it really necessary to bring it up for the 9 zillionth time?

MaineBlueBear

(300 posts)
18. Yes, lest we forget
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 10:47 AM
Aug 15

Those elected to power in our representative government have a responsibility to act in the interest of their constituents, not just their donors.

My open prayer for hope is that this message reaches someone with the ability to fight this fascism.

NJCher

(41,413 posts)
19. if that's the case
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 11:42 AM
Aug 15

spend your time writing to your representatives instead of posting here at DU, where we all mostly know this and some of us are, quite frankly, sick of the negativity. You may think you're writing an "open prayer," but you're really breeding hopelessness.

UpInArms

(53,403 posts)
8. From the link
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:10 AM
Aug 15
"They now claim that 'if the President does not have the authority to designate acting Board members, then the President must have the authority to remove [Ms.] Aviel himself' pursuant to his inherent Article II powers," AliKhan summarized. "In other words, President Trump's inability to appoint Mr. Marocco enables him to skip past the IAF's principal officers to terminate its inferior officer."

That "has worrisome implications" if true, the judge continued, because it would mean Trump has created or discovered a "basic loophole" to "easily circumvent the general restriction on firing inferior officers by simply firing the principal officers."

"That makes no sense," AliKhan remarked, since Trump would be able to "fire an otherwise-unfireable officer by first terminating her superiors."

In parting shots, the judge called the administration's arguments "riddled with constitutional contradictions" and took a dim view of the upshot of the administration's "novel and wrong" assertion that Trump has "'inherent' Article II power to appoint acting officials" like Marocco, regardless of congressional intent.

wolfie001

(6,130 posts)
9. Clicking the link went right to the info
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:11 AM
Aug 15

Orange fatty misapplied a rule as an excuse to fire her. Did you want the OP to include the whole article? I find reading long posts even more tiring then just clicking on the links that explain what the OP is talking about.

wolfie001

(6,130 posts)
11. Yes! That was the main point!
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:23 AM
Aug 15

Maybe a penny or 2 was directed into somebody's bank account when I clicked it.

BumRushDaShow

(160,177 posts)
14. There is no "loophole". The judge stated that it was basically nonexistent but suddenly "created" in the idiotic E.O.
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:38 AM
Aug 15

From the Ruling -

(snip)

“(i)f Congress [vests appointment power in a department head], it is ordinarily the department head, rather than the President, who enjoys the power of removal.” 561 U.S. at 493. Whether Congress may codify removal protections for inferior officers—the issue referred to in the Seila Law passage—differs from the question of who possesses default removal authority under the Appointments Clause.

As the Supreme Court has maintained for centuries, “the Constitution authorizes Congress to vest [appointment and
removal power] in the head of [a] department.” In re Hennen, 38 U.S. at 260. In those Case circumstances, “the President has certainly no power to remove” an individual lawfully appointed pursuant to that authority. Id.


Defendants next argue that if Ms. Aviel is the highest-ranking executive left at the Foundation, then she must be answerable to the President. ECF No. 40, at 14. But the same could be said of any inferior officer serving at the pleasure of a principal officer once the principal officer is terminated. Defendants’ position has worrisome implications: the President could easily circumvent the general restriction on firing inferior officers by simply firing the principal officers first.

That makes no sense. The Appointments Clause, Free Enterprise Fund, and established law would mean little if they were susceptible to such a basic loophole. The President may not fire an otherwise-unfireable officer by first terminating her superiors.

(snip)


Basically the judge is saying that 45 is arguing he can "get rid of" someone he doesn't like (someone down lower in the leadership chain) who was actually appointed by someone above them (a "superior officer" ), by simply firing that person above them.

Congress will explicitly "delegate authority" (as it is dubbed) to Senate-confirmed Department/agency heads, to select their own appointees, and 45 is torpedoing that idea.

wolfie001

(6,130 posts)
7. With 6 christo-fascist pigs sitting on the SC......
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 07:06 AM
Aug 15

.....anything's possible with the fat orange imbecile.

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