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BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:53 AM Aug 14

Newsom urges Illinois, NY to hurry up on redistricting

Source: The Hill

08/13/25 6:00 PM ET


California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) on Tuesday urged Illinois and New York to press ahead with redistricting efforts as GOP lawmakers push to pick up five additional House seats in Texas.

“Right now forget the talking; it’s not about press. It’s time to move. You got to move. I mean, enough,” Newsom said. “We’re all saying the right thing. Now we got to do the right thing, which means we got to fight fire with fire,” he told Beto O’Rourke, a former Democratic representative from Texas, during the Tuesday episode of his “This is Gavin Newsom” podcast.

The two also criticized Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) for advocating for the arrest of Democratic lawmakers who fled the state in an effort to block a vote advancing redistricting efforts in the Lone Star State. The Democratic state lawmakers who left are preventing the Texas Legislature from having the quorum necessary to pass legislation.

Lawmakers in New York and Illinois have launched redistricting efforts in response to Texas.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5451253-newsom-texas-redistricting-fight/

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Newsom urges Illinois, NY to hurry up on redistricting (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 14 OP
With JB as Gov and a huge Democratic majority in the General Assembly Chasstev365 Aug 14 #1
Was looking at the IL delegation BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #4
This is what I thought you were missing on the other thread FBaggins Aug 14 #11
Why have you put so much effort into knocking down every potential path to resistance BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #13
The effort isn't put into knocking down anything FBaggins Aug 14 #18
I will write a strongly worded letter to him orangecrush Aug 14 #25
NC is actually GOP controlled for the purposes of redistricting dsc Aug 14 #20
This is why I put this - BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #21
we aren't mixed dsc Aug 14 #22
If all this ends up a net gain for Dems, Supreme Court will insist it be reversed. If net gain for Repubs, they won't, thesquanderer Aug 14 #2
As long as the redistricting is either based on compliance with a state Constitution BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #5
Hard to believe that we have any Democrats out there who don't realize Baitball Blogger Aug 14 #3
"Republicans don't plan on coming back to traditional methods" speak easy Aug 14 #29
Unfortunately, NY can't redistrict in time onlyadream Aug 14 #6
Was looking at their Legislative session page BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #7
That wouldn't change the end date of the process FBaggins Aug 14 #8
Unless they allow for voters to vote on the referendum during their primary election BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #10
They can't FBaggins Aug 14 #12
Unless it is codified like that in the state Constitution BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #15
It is indeed codified in the state constitution FBaggins Aug 14 #17
The link mentiones "2 processes" to amend BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #19
The second process is even longer FBaggins Aug 14 #23
The the first option in the link was the "convention" BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #26
Given what Gov Hochul's said on air, yes, it's permitted. She's got the power to call any number of special sessions. ancianita Aug 14 #9
Thanks for clarifying that! onlyadream Aug 14 #14
I will tell you that BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #16
To be fair, the AI does give references where it got the info onlyadream Aug 14 #24
It's still is in an "embryonic" stage BumRushDaShow Aug 14 #27
YES... myohmy2 Aug 14 #28
Not a time for dragging one's feet. C Moon Aug 15 #30

Chasstev365

(6,268 posts)
1. With JB as Gov and a huge Democratic majority in the General Assembly
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 07:36 AM
Aug 14

Illinois should be easy, but Newsom is right: Get going NOW!

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
4. Was looking at the IL delegation
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 08:22 AM
Aug 14

and there are 11 (D)s & 3 (R)s. In NY, there are currently 19 (D)s and 7(R)s.

For other blue states - in NJ, there are 9 (D)s & 3 (R)s, in WA, there are 8 (D)s & 2 (R)s, in MD, there 7 (D)s & 1 (R), in OR, there are 5 (D)s & 1 (R), and CO has a split of 4 (D)s & 4 (R)s.

For other blue states - ALL 9 of MA's Reps. are (D)s as are ALL 5 of CT's, ALL 3 of NM's, and BOTH of RI's, ME's, and HI's. DE's at-large is a (D).

NH's are both (D)s but like VT, whose at-large is a (D), the governors are (R)s.

The only other bigger states with a (semi-) motherlode of Reps. are those that are purple with either a (D) governor & (R) (or split) legislature or a (R) governor and a (D) (or split) legislature. E.g., PA, VA, AZ, MI, MN, NC & WI.

(you sent me down the rabbithole!!! )

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
11. This is what I thought you were missing on the other thread
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:17 AM
Aug 14

There's no gold mine of available seats that we can pick up when compared to TX/OH/FL and the two states (LA and ?) that may get to draw out one minority majority district depending on how and when SCOTUS rules.

IL might be able to squeeze one more seat out... but those three remaining red districts are very red... and they're surrounded by relatively competitive blue seats that can't afford to give up much strength.

The more I look at it... the more Newsom's statement ("Right now forget the talking; it’s not about press. It’s time to move. You got to move" ) looks like it IS about the press. Because he keeps calling on states to do something... that are not in a posiiton to do something.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
13. Why have you put so much effort into knocking down every potential path to resistance
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:35 AM
Aug 14

rather than maybe researching the playing field and thinking more broadly and outside of the box?

Many of the seats that Democrats lost in 2022 and 2024 were close races.

Things have changed since 2024 - and particularly in states like mine where we already have "fair maps" but could actually pick up the seats we lost in 2024 and even flip one that was very close in 2024 and has been (R) for many years (PA-10 - at least the area where PA-10 is now since it was renumbered/redrawn in 2018, with the criminal Scott Perry in there now, and where he won by only 5,500 votes) - https://ballotpedia.org/Pennsylvania%27s_10th_Congressional_District_election,_2024

General election for U.S. House Pennsylvania District 10

Incumbent Scott Perry defeated Janelle Stelson in the general election for U.S. House Pennsylvania District 10 on November 5, 2024.

Candidate % Votes

Scott Perry (R) 50.5 205,567

Janelle Stelson (D) 49.3 200,434

Other/Write-in votes 0.2 937


Janelle announced she was running again for that seat.

Remember, their god-emperor is NOT going to be on the ballot in 2026. And since the SCOTUS *has blessed* gerrymandering because "states rights", then you take that and run with it, even if you have to do a ridiculous border that extends down a highway to a blue city to dilute the red area's otherwise minuscule votes.

This is where we are now. Nothing is "permanent" as it can change - whether quickly or many years from now but very little is the same as it was long ago.

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
18. The effort isn't put into knocking down anything
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:38 PM
Aug 14

The effort was put into "researching the playing field," and the result was that many are far too optimistic about the chances of gains through redistricting that are more than what the red states seem to be poised for.

As for the remaining content - I don't think we'll have much disagreement there, but it's entirely distinct from the redistricting conversation. Of course we expect the actual electoral forces to shift in our favor. It's a mid-term election when the other party controls all the levers. We're supposed to pick up ground in that case.

As for super close republican pick ups... the same thing happened in the other direction. Look at mutiple pickups in CA last November. Some took weeks to call they were so close... and we won all of them.

dsc

(53,133 posts)
20. NC is actually GOP controlled for the purposes of redistricting
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:41 PM
Aug 14

since the Gov has no role. On the plus side they at best could get only one seat from NC. the problem is that IL might give us one more seat. NY and CA are the only places with many seats and it isn't all that many.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
21. This is why I put this -
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:07 PM
Aug 14
The only other bigger states with a (semi-) motherlode of Reps. are those that are purple with either a (D) governor & (R) (or split) legislature or a (R) governor and a (D) (or split) legislature. E.g., PA, VA, AZ, MI, MN, NC & WI.


Basically, any "mixed" / "split" state (i.e., those without a "trifecta" ) are pretty much not going to be in play for "redistricting" and I probably should have added that but it seemed obvious that if any GOP is in the picture, then such a scheme is DOA (ETA - although PA DID redistrict by filing suit that the gerrymandered scheme was in violation of the state Constitution and at the time in 2018, we had an all (R)-legislature, and the state Supreme Court eventually agreed and we had a pre-Census redistricting, where the court actually drew the lines ).

However I expect some of those purple states may have seats that will be more competitive in 2026 because 45 isn't on the ticket (and we have that case here in PA).

I only brought those states up because they are "bigger states" with more seats (akin to a CA or NY) versus some of the actual trifecta smaller states.

dsc

(53,133 posts)
22. we aren't mixed
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:21 PM
Aug 14

the governor has no role here. The reason they can't get very many, actually only one, seats is math. The Dems hold four seats in NC, three are plus double digits (17,23,34) while one is R plus 1. But the GOP could redistrict tomorrow, in point of fact they did redistrict last year, but there is no mathematical point for them to do so. Stein can't stop them.

thesquanderer

(12,766 posts)
2. If all this ends up a net gain for Dems, Supreme Court will insist it be reversed. If net gain for Repubs, they won't,
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 07:47 AM
Aug 14

so we'll lose either way. And either way, the blue states will have lost a bunch of time/money/resources in the attempt.

We need to do it anyway, just to show some backbone, but I"m not optimistic about the result.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
5. As long as the redistricting is either based on compliance with a state Constitution
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 08:29 AM
Aug 14

and/or state law, the SCOTUS has generally waved challenges away. That happened twice here in PA when we redistricted based on the state Constitution in 2018 & in 2020 (after the census) - even when our state Supreme Court threw out all the proposed maps and actually drew the lines themselves!

It seems that the SCOTUS WILL get involved if there is redistricting based on federal laws like the Voting Rights Act, which they seem to be on the precipice of torpedoing.

Baitball Blogger

(50,917 posts)
3. Hard to believe that we have any Democrats out there who don't realize
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 07:54 AM
Aug 14

the Republicans don't plan on coming back to traditional methods. The game has changed, and if the Democrats don't adjust to the changing rules, we'll lose everything.

speak easy

(12,385 posts)
29. "Republicans don't plan on coming back to traditional methods"
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 04:07 PM
Aug 14

This is only an opening gambit.

onlyadream

(2,245 posts)
6. Unfortunately, NY can't redistrict in time
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:27 AM
Aug 14

I believe it has to be voted on two sessions consecutively. I’m not sure what other requirements are, but it definitely can’t be done by the midterms.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
7. Was looking at their Legislative session page
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:44 AM
Aug 14

and their regular session is January - June but they indicate that it "could change" - https://nyassembly.gov/leg/calendar/

MEANING they could maybe call a special session now (if that is permitted) as an extension of their 2025 schedule (and as a note - PA has been doing that right now to try to deal with the Philly metro area transit mess), then they could pass something NOW at that session and have it counted for the 2025 FY, and then come January for their 2026 session, pass it again as their 2nd (consecutive) affirmation of it, and prepare for the 2026 election.

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
8. That wouldn't change the end date of the process
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:07 AM
Aug 14

The people still can't vote on the amendment until the 2026 general election, which leaves the 2028 election as the first time that new lines could be effective.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
10. Unless they allow for voters to vote on the referendum during their primary election
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:17 AM
Aug 14

which in NY is usually "late" compared to other states (i.e., late summer/early fall before the general election).

I know many states, including PA, will put referendums on the ballot during primaries (and the GOP does that in their states because they know it's a low turnout event).

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
12. They can't
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:24 AM
Aug 14

The vote has to be at the next general election. It also couldn't work during a primary because the primary is how you select the candidates who will run in each district (which wouldn't exist at that point).

CA is far more flexible with how they amend their constitution... which is why they do it so often. I doubt that NY's courts would allow an amendment that had actual lines in it. It would have to amend the constitution to allow the legislature to draw the lines... and then the legislature would have to wait for it to pass.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
15. Unless it is codified like that in the state Constitution
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:52 AM
Aug 14

the Legislature can pass whatever they want to "change the rules".

And if there is something in the state Constitution that specifies redistricting, then there are 2 ways to amend that - https://www.albanylaw.edu/government-law-center/amending-nys-constitution

(snip)

There are two methods of amending the New York State Constitution. The first is via a constitutional convention followed by voter approval or rejection of any amendments approved by the convention’s delegates. The second is via proposal and approval of an amendment in two consecutive sessions of the Legislature. This explainer is about the second method.

Under Article XIX, section 1, of the state Constitution, any amendment must first be proposed in the state Senate and Assembly. Following its proposal, the amendment must be referred to the New York State Attorney General. Within twenty days of that referral, the Attorney General is required to issue an opinion to the Legislature “as to the effect of such amendment or amendments upon other provisions of the constitution.”3 Upon receiving the opinion of the Attorney General, or if no opinion is received within twenty days, both houses of the Legislature may consider the proposal.

If adopted by a majority of the members of both houses, which is commonly known as the “first passage,” the proposed amendment must be presented a second time to the Legislature during “the next regular legislative session convening after the succeeding general election of members of the assembly….”4 Because Assembly members are elected every two years, the proposal may be presented either in the next regular legislative session immediately following the year of first passage or in the next regular legislative session convened in the second year following first passage, depending on when the next election takes place after the first passage.

Should the proposed amendment again be adopted by a majority vote in a newly elected Legislature, it must be submitted to the voters “in such manner and at such time as the legislature shall prescribe.”5

(snip)


They just went through this process between 2022 and 2024 and apparently have already started on it -

Hochul embraces gerrymandering in New York

By Bill Mahoney
08/04/2025 01:05 PM EDT

(snip)

Hochul has embraced changing New York’s process since the fight over the Lone Star State maps escalated last month. Other Democrats have gone along as well: New York lawmakers introduced a state constitutional amendment last week that would let Democrats make mid-decade adjustments to their maps before the 2028 election cycle.

(snip)

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
17. It is indeed codified in the state constitution
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:32 PM
Aug 14

On edit - now that I re-read your reply... why argue that they could get this done before 2028 when your own link says they're in the process of targeting the 2028 election cycle?

Article XIX

if the amendment or amendments as proposed or as amended shall be agreed to by a majority of the members elected to each of the two houses, such proposed amendment or amendments shall be entered on their journals, and the ayes and noes taken thereon, and referred to the next regular legislative session convening after the succeeding general election of members of the assembly, and shall be published for three months previous to the time of making such choice; and if in such legislative session, such proposed amendment or amendments shall be agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house, then it shall be the duty of the legislature to submit each proposed amendment or amendments to the people for approval in such manner and at such times as the legislature shall prescribe; and if the people shall approve and ratify such amendment or amendments by a majority of the electors voting thereon, such amendment or amendments shall become a part of the constitution on the first day of January next after such approval.


So on correction - The "general election" requirement isn't that the final vote can't be held before then... it's that the second legislative vote can't be held before an intervening general election of the state legislature.

Same effect... no change is possible in time for nex year's election

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
19. The link mentiones "2 processes" to amend
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:40 PM
Aug 14

If they do go with a "convention", there there doesn't seem to have requirement for "2 legislative sessions".

And since we are "early" in this process, there may be other intentions/wording planned for it to be in effect for 2026 (like I mentioned - they did it between 2022 & 2024).

"We" don't know unless "WE" (ahem) go do some further searching for that rather than being so declarative about what the plans are and not even linking to anything definitive.

FBaggins

(28,435 posts)
23. The second process is even longer
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:26 PM
Aug 14

Why do you assume that if you don’t know something “we” haven’t researched it and don’t know?

The governor of the state had made clear that she wants to move forward as soon as possible but that there is no way to redraw the lines for the 2026 election. Why not just assume that she knows what she’s talking about if you don’t want to accept my opinion?


For the record - the second option involves the state legislature calling for a convention… then the voters have to approve (they’ve rejected the last three 20-yr votes)… then the convention convenes in April… then there has to be another vote of the people at least six weeks after the convention ends (the last one took six months)… and if it passes the constitution is amended as of January of the following year.

So again… no way to change the lines in NY for the 2026 election.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
26. The the first option in the link was the "convention"
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:03 PM
Aug 14

and 2nd process is what you have been referencing and is the "2 legislative sessions", which is longer.

You have been the one dismissing that she could anything at all despite her remarks in the media saying otherwise.

Here is the NY Senate draft - https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8467

Where are your links?

ancianita

(41,853 posts)
9. Given what Gov Hochul's said on air, yes, it's permitted. She's got the power to call any number of special sessions.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:11 AM
Aug 14

NY is one of 37 states that give govs that power. All to the better if having a quorum isn't a problem.

onlyadream

(2,245 posts)
14. Thanks for clarifying that!
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:38 AM
Aug 14

Just goes to show what you hear on youTube is not always accurate. I verified what you posted with chatGPT and it said you were correct and that Gov. Hochul is looking into calling a special session. I hope NY does this! I'm in NY1 and I hate my stupid rep LaLota. His town hall was a joke (only over the phone) and all answers to questions were canned horseshit (also only 5 questions).

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
16. I will tell you that
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:55 AM
Aug 14

I wouldn't touch ANY "AI" thing with a million foot pole!

I try to go to the "original source".

onlyadream

(2,245 posts)
24. To be fair, the AI does give references where it got the info
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:42 PM
Aug 14

But as with anything, it's only as valid as its sources.
I do a lot of programming, and I can't begin to explain what a time saver AI is, lol. I really love it. I also had 4 rides in a Waymo and it was totally amazing. If the future weren't so scary, I'd be looking forward to it.

BumRushDaShow

(160,228 posts)
27. It's still is in an "embryonic" stage
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:23 PM
Aug 14

and there are too many pathways that could send it off on a tangent (unfortunately). It needs some serious guardrails and safety valves. I consider it a glorified Siri.

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