it is doubtful you know whoo Albert Pike was.

Or an Arkansan.

Pike's primary contribution to the CSA was recruiting native American tribes to fight for the Confederacy. Troops under his command performed poorly during the Battle of Pea Ridge (Elkhorn Tavern) in NW Arkansas. Union units fighting his native American troops had a strangely large killed to wounded ratio suggesting the murder of wounded Union troops. Pike's native American troops were accused of scalping and otherwise mutilating dead Union soldiers.

After the Civil War, he was reported to be a member of the KKK, which was common among unrepentant confederates.

The statue was raised by the Freemasons in recognition of his long work in that organization. The DC government has wanted the statue removed for years.

The statue is being restored because Trump loves him some racists.

See attached 1923 New York Times article.

https://www.nytimes.com/1923/09/02/archives/masons-and-the-ku-klux.html

it seems the article is saying no true Free-Mason would want to be a Klansman, but maybe some only adhere partly to the Freemason's credo could be?

Your thoughts?

It is my understanding that racism is inconsistent with Masonic philosophy. Nevertheless, Masonic lodges in the small town south are very much segregated. The AA masons tend to belong to Prince Hall lodges while everyone else belongs to F&AM lodges. (I don't know if this segregation occurs outside the south.)

Racism is also inconsistent with Christian philosophy but KKK members claim to be protestant Christian.

As a result of growing up in the south, I tend to not be shocked by racists being in organizations with anti-racist philosophies.

And one would think as Christian you'd be against racism. 🙄

Recruited Native Americans to fight for the CSA.

Maj. Gen. Thomas C. Hindman charged Pike with mishandling of money and material, ordering his arrest.

Pardoned by Pres. Andrew Johnson

During the Arkansas political conflict known as the Brooks-Baxter War, Pike was one of the lawyers to speak on behalf of Elisha Baxter.[30]
@The second Civil War - interesting

Pike remained deeply opposed to black suffrage, insisting that "the white race, and that race alone, shall govern this country. It is the only one that is fit to govern, and it is the only one that shall."

Pike was personally chosen by Nathan Bedford Forrest to serve as the Klan's "Chief Judicial Officer" and to head the Klan in Arkansas as "Grand Dragon of that Realm."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike

oh, seems he had troubles very early in the war:
"submitting his resignation from the Confederate States Army on July 12, 1862"


No wonder I never heard of him--- which reinforces the question,
"why was there a statue for him in the first place?" Rich relatives ??

pffft

I just saw another thread in this and realized I hadn’t responded to you.

The UDC put monuments everywhere including one in San Diego 🙄. All over the South mostly. Infamously they created Monument Avenue here in Richmond. The only monument left is of Arthur Ashe, who got the hell out of Richmond as fast and as far as he could (UCLA).

The UDC headquarters and museum was in the grounds of the Va. Museum of Fine Arts. An old rickety 2 or 3 story wooden building that burned to the ground in about a minute during the protests in 2020. It was on, ironically, Arthur Ashe Boulevard. It burned so fast my tears could not put out the flames.

This is Wikipedia but it’s a very thorough account of The Lost Cause of the Confederacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

From where Pike's Peak prominently dominates the western skyline.

The A to Z of Pikes.

He was in Trans-Mississippi, Indian Territory, very much out of the mainstream of Civil War action.

nt

And the worst thing about this statue is Black folks myself included are worried about the Rapist In Chief not getting punished than we are a statue.

Miller will do anything he can to TRY to get us out in the streets - but we aren't budging.

Also - Trump raped a 13 year old.

Trump's DOJ will make anyone who dares the poster child for persecuting Wokeness.

>> It's bait.
"These things must be done delicately."

and that this nightmare will never end?

A library of just one book.

He is just as fine a person as Pike

William Tecumseh Sherman.

But no statue resides there….

I didn't go anywhere for almost a year.

That was when many of the "Black Lives Matter" protests and marches were going on and there was a huge concern that there would be many super-spreader events at those marches... but apparently not (maybe because people were constantly moving, although you did have some people who were masked).

However I just watched everything on TV, didn't go anywhere. It was too risky.

I attended several BLM marches and most everyone was masked.

at an "outdoor event" -

Outdoor transmission was never a serious problem.

and based on the pics she texted and local reports, they had a good turnout.

outside the DC police headquarters in 2020, in the first place....

should never have been erected there to begin with,
but should have been gone long before 2020...

to rewrite the history of the War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_erected_by_the_United_Daughters_of_the_Confederacy

Still doesn't explain why the thing was still standing in 2020--- should have been torn down much earlier!

And now MFer is putting them back up. It's all about the Stigginit.

a statue of Osama bin Laden. Makes just about as much sense. Oh, that's right. Pike was white.

... who fought against the government of the United States.

Just the type of "man" maga delights in.

Those few deluded people are insignificant. The racist whites who are still glorifying the civil war have been and are still the problem.

Especially the men. Go figure. In my irrelevant opinion - the percentage should be zero.

The number of white people who voted for trump should be minuscule, the rich and powerful oh and pedophiles. Most black people voted right, why hold us to different standards than the rest of America. There will always be the uncle Clarence and people who want to be liked by the dominant culture. Please stop holding us up as some noble monolith and white america as just people with different views.

I put this right up there with all politicians and citizens who were bullied and insulted by him over and over for a decade now but still bend over for him. My comment was directed toward those that obviously don't know history or what that statue represented. The fact the some moron(s) stood behind trump with "Blacks for Trump" tshirts makes them subjects of ridicule. I could care less what their motives were for doing it.

Some folks are gullible. Why do people bring up these idiots as being of note, leave them in the trash where they belong and concentrate on the bigger problem, white folks.

When someone stands behind that orange buffoon attempting to influence others, they should be called out.

Black men did not cause Trump to win the election. White and Hispanic people did. Approximately 76% of black men voted for the betterment of this country and people keep focusing on the small group of men who did not change the election. White women, farmers, Hispanic males all voted for the felon who screwed them the last time. Let’s focus on them and stop blaming black males for this failure . I was horrified to see the majority of white women voted for a rapist and a congress that would take away their rights, let’s focus on them.

Although I didn't think it unfair to ask a certain group how they feel about the re-establishment of racist iconography in DC by an asshole they openly supported.

And attempt to extrapolate why rather than asking that of the majority it makes me wonder.
I did not see you ask this of the majority of white women. We all know that white men are a lost cause.
The headlines screamed black men voted for asshole but there was no mention of the others. We take our own to the woodshed, we don’t need white people using them as an excuse or a scapegoat. Can you tell me why the majority of white women voted for him because other than racism I don’t understand.

I wasn't interested in their twisted logic.

He was a businessman, he was going to expose the deep state through the Epstein files, vice president Harris didn’t have a plan and all the other bs. You have bought into the narrative of black men voting against their interests. That is what the media pounced on. They deflected blame on the scary black men.They never questioned why white women voted for chief pedophile. If you are truly curious I suggest you go to YouTube and check out Reese Waters and Coach D. They can enlighten you.

Many black people died in Jonestown because they were in a cult. Black people who voted for idiot in chief are in a cult or they are cult wannabes , no critical thinking required. For whatever reason you are invested in this. Good luck with your search.

behind the park port-o-potties.

The secretary might claim to be “laser-focused” on fighting wars, but his record suggests he’s far more interested in fighting the culture wars.

Investing in Confederate monuments. Banning library books. Renaming bases and ships.

For all of Pete Hegseth’s posturing about a “warrior ethos” and being “laser-focused” on winning wars, he sure does seem fixated on fighting the culture wars. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-08-07T18:25:31.181Z