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BumRushDaShow

(151,663 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:03 AM Tuesday

Trump Orders Hegseth and Bondi to 'Determine How Military' Can Be Used in Domestic Law Enforcement

Source: MEDIAite

Apr 28th, 2025, 9:08 pm



President Donald Trump directed Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi to determine how the U.S. military could be used for domestic law enforcement on Monday.

In an executive order titled, “Strengthening and Unleashing America’s Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Civilians,” Trump issued several directives, including the establishment of a legal defense mechanism for law enforcement officers and a crackdown on state and local officials who “willfully and unlawfully direct the obstruction of criminal law, including by directly and unlawfully prohibiting law enforcement officers from carrying out duties.”

The president also ordered Hegseth and Bondi to “determine how military and national security assets” and personnel “can most effectively be utilized” to prevent crime:

Sec. 4. Using National Security Assets for Law and Order. (a) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, shall increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement.

(b) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall determine how military and national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime.


Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-orders-hegseth-and-bondi-and-to-determine-how-military-can-be-used-in-domestic-law-enforcement/



18 USC 1385: Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus


The Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters: A Sketch

Summary

The Posse Comitatus Act states that "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." 18 U.S.C. § 1385. It reflects an American tradition that bridles at military involvement in civilian affairs. Congress, however, has approved a number of instances where extraordinary circumstances warrant a departure from the general rule, particularly in cases where the armed forces provide civilian assistance without becoming directly involved in civilian law enforcement. However, a number of statutes, including the Insurrection Act, permit the military directly to execute federal law or provide assistance to states in the throes of insurrection where state officials are unable to execute the law.

Three tests have developed to determine when the Posse Comitatus Act is violated. Courts examine whether: (1) civilian law enforcement officials made a direct active use of military investigators to execute the law; (2) the use of the military pervaded the activities of the civilian officials; or (3) the military was used so as to subject citizens to the exercise of military power which was regulatory, prescriptive, or compulsory in nature. The Act has apparently been used for only a couple of prosecutions, and it is more frequently invoked collaterally as a usually unsuccessful means to avoid jurisdiction or exclude evidence acquired with the assistance of the military. Less frequently, plaintiffs have sought relief in the form of civil damages for an alleged violation.

The Posse Comitatus Act does not apply where the Constitution expressly authorizes the use of the armed forces to execute the laws in such a role. Although the Constitution does not seem to provide such an express exception, military doctrine permits military commanders to exercise emergency authority and to take action to protect federal property.

Although the Posse Comitatus Act applies on its terms only to the Army and Air Force, Department of Defense regulations governing military assistance to civil authorities limit the roles of all of the armed services, including civilian personnel, to prevent their direct involvement in law enforcement activities. The National Guard is covered by the act only when acting in federal service.

The most significant impact of the Posse Comitatus Act is attributable to compliance by the armed forces. As administrative adoption of the act for the Navy and Marines demonstrates, the military has a long-standing practice of avoiding involvement in civilian affairs which it believes are contrary to the Act.

This is an abridged version of CRS Report R42659, The Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters: The Use of the Military to Execute Civilian Law, in which the authorities for the statements made here may be found.

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Both of those who were "ordered" ARE literally "dumb as a rock".
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Trump Orders Hegseth and Bondi to 'Determine How Military' Can Be Used in Domestic Law Enforcement (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Tuesday OP
Here we go. gab13by13 Tuesday #1
I predicted 2 months ago that between 3 and 6 months he will order the national guard or the military Javaman Tuesday #8
It occurred to me EYESORE 9001 Tuesday #9
oh hell yes, he would... Javaman Tuesday #11
I have two complicating thoughts on this. Shipwack Tuesday #18
Yes, the lazy, complicit media's red state/blue state depiction of our country is deliberate, misleading, & dividing. CrispyQ Tuesday #63
National Guard units are under the control of their respective Governors, am I right? FakeNoose Tuesday #27
Federalization CitizenZero Tuesday #73
Yup, drug monkey Musk doesn't like those protests Farmer-Rick Tuesday #15
Here comes martial law. joshdawg Tuesday #51
Us Troops terms of engagement with US Citizens,... magicarpet Tuesday #78
Direct attack on personal freedoms! FirstLight Tuesday #2
Okay Dems, what are we going to do about it? WinstonSmith4740 Tuesday #23
*Ding, Ding* Any Republicans awake? bucolic_frolic Tuesday #3
Not to mention that ICE can kick your door in and come in shooting if they "suspect" you hadEnuf Tuesday #60
And by a group of people who swore to uphold the Constitution. Irony by the ton with these guys. marble falls Tuesday #4
Now he wants to declare war on us. The citizens. JohnnyRingo Tuesday #5
I'm hoping that there'll be "weaponized incompetence". Shipwack Tuesday #21
I recall him wondering why they can't just shoot BLM protestors .... JohnnyRingo Tuesday #71
That is precisely DENVERPOPS Tuesday #35
When Fox News Wednesdays Wednesday #85
Hogsbreath and Bondi lonely bird Tuesday #6
Perhaps JBTaurus83 Tuesday #7
It has been his desire since forever. twodogsbarking Tuesday #10
Trump, Putin and the Republican Party DENVERPOPS Tuesday #31
These fuckers... purr-rat beauty Tuesday #12
Trump is planning for a police state to support his dictatorship. Lonestarblue Tuesday #13
Tipping point reached: All of you need to have a look at the post about the polls, link here Hekate Tuesday #14
"Strengthening and Unleashing America's Military to Act Like Criminals and Intimidate Innocent Civilians" Layzeebeaver Tuesday #16
-OR- BumRushDaShow Tuesday #20
The final straw. SergeStorms Tuesday #17
the repugs could easily stop this Nigrum Cattus Tuesday #19
They're losing money through tariffs Bayard Tuesday #26
Note to Guardsmen... Moostache Tuesday #22
"History is written by the victors" Wednesdays Wednesday #86
The Desperate Last Stand of Tyrannical Thug Chasstev365 Tuesday #24
Just call it what it is - MARTIAL LAW. NoMoreRepugs Tuesday #25
Ever read the "Peter Principle"? WinstonSmith4740 Tuesday #28
Hegseth got promoted after he'd reached his level of incompetence muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #33
We've let Republican-Fascist propaganda take over the airwaves and internet for decades hadEnuf Tuesday #61
I think donnie and company better quit while they're ahead! Martial law and arresting Supreme Court justices PortTack Tuesday #29
This should scare the crap out of everybody. republianmushroom Tuesday #30
Hilarious Note: DENVERPOPS Tuesday #32
What is with the sheriff with the brown vest johnnyfins Tuesday #34
"All of them look like they are straight outta Dukes of Hazzard" BumRushDaShow Tuesday #36
I would love to see DENVERPOPS Tuesday #38
LOL BumRushDaShow Tuesday #41
Bingo DENVERPOPS Tuesday #50
The voice in my head said BumRushDaShow Tuesday #52
I'm pulling "Rosco Pee Coltraaayne" from my memory muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #62
Roscoe P. Coltrane keroro gunsou Wednesday #84
yep johnnyfins Tuesday #81
Hey BRDS DENVERPOPS Tuesday #37
I think he had already talked about that early on BumRushDaShow Tuesday #42
Exactly, as you have said before DENVERPOPS Tuesday #44
"Whoever" in the Posse Comitatus Act arguably excludes the President... thesquanderer Tuesday #39
The Posse Comitatus Act very clearly doesn't exclude the President. TomSlick Tuesday #80
re: "the immunity SCOTUS created (from whole cloth) would shield Trump from prosecution" thesquanderer Wednesday #83
Immunity from prosecution is not really the same as being excluded under the law. TomSlick Wednesday #87
This is what failed governments do. Mr. Sparkle Tuesday #40
Things are lining up for Insurrection Act announcement at birthday military parade. Thunderbeast Tuesday #43
That is my thought DENVERPOPS Tuesday #46
Methinks the Praetorian guard has had its fill Ponietz Tuesday #54
Important Point CitizenZero Tuesday #75
Biggest group DENVERPOPS Tuesday #82
Never ask again how Nazi Germany came about...just watch in real time NotHardly Tuesday #45
Trump's ex wife DENVERPOPS Tuesday #48
1. Require that all privately-owned firearms be turned in to the military. mahatmakanejeeves Tuesday #47
LOL DENVERPOPS Tuesday #49
Determine or rubber stamp? marble falls Tuesday #53
Note the Democratic governor of NM already activated the National Guard to patrol streets in Albuquerque Ponietz Tuesday #55
Another step to declare Martial Law Owens Tuesday #56
Are we great yet??? LymphocyteLover Tuesday #57
This is why he wants to keep Hegseth so badly-- that drunk will happily follow these orders LymphocyteLover Tuesday #58
States should pass laws disallowing the use of the military with law enforcement IbogaProject Tuesday #59
Good Idea CitizenZero Tuesday #76
This signals intent to use the military against citizens Picaro Tuesday #64
Declaration of Re-Dependence: Using the Military to "Prevent Crime" red dog 1 Tuesday #65
This administration is really fucking pushing it. Initech Tuesday #66
Like Hitler The Wizard Tuesday #67
Grab 'em by the ... trusty elf Tuesday #68
Reads like Victor Orban gave the traitor the play book to do this when he last visited the fascist traitor dictator turbinetree Tuesday #69
THIS my friends is exactly why TSF defends Hegseth and BONDI. bluestarone Tuesday #70
Our military and police need to really consider this. BidenRocks Tuesday #72
All it would take is one armed soldier in his presence with any respect for their oath Orrex Tuesday #74
House To House Arrest CitizenZero Tuesday #77
States Rights CitizenZero Tuesday #79

Javaman

(63,735 posts)
8. I predicted 2 months ago that between 3 and 6 months he will order the national guard or the military
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:32 AM
Tuesday

to fire on protestors.

as I have said before, there won't be a civil war but a revolution.

it's coming, unless congress wakes the fuck up and the rebukes grow a spine.

if there is anything predictable about dictators, it's that they aren't very deep or imaginative. they all follow the same set of guidelines.

EYESORE 9001

(28,172 posts)
9. It occurred to me
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:43 AM
Tuesday

that the potential exists for ‘red’ NG units to face ‘blue’ NG units near state borders with a democratic governor in one state and a repuQ in the other. Would the orange hellbeast exert federal authority over the democratic governor’s NG? I’m thinking yes.

Javaman

(63,735 posts)
11. oh hell yes, he would...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:51 AM
Tuesday

also, if he gets away with this bullshit, you can kiss the midterm elections goodbye.

he knows if there is an election, he will lose massively and not only will he be impeached again, he will go to prison.

and if there is an "election" his picks will "mysteriously" win with overwhelming majorities.

Shipwack

(2,637 posts)
18. I have two complicating thoughts on this.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:07 AM
Tuesday

1) Blue governors might not be able to mobilize the National Guard units in their state. If someone in the Trump administration knows their history (stop laughing), they could pull a Johnson (the former President, not Speaker) and nationalize the troops in their state. This puts the units under Federal control, not state.

2) There is no such thing as a “blue” or “red” National Guard unit. Just like the states, everything is a mixture. No one is going to be enthusiastic about shooting anyone, I think.

I have no idea how things are in the Guard these days. My only experience is from my father being in it full time in the ‘70s. I recall things being a bit more… let’s call it “laid back”. I don’t think any of the people in my father’s unit would be eager to start shooting at American citizens, let alone fellow Guard members. I could very well be wrong on this. Maybe the NG has tightened up a bit. After all, it’s been 50 years (that long?!) and a few conflicts since then.

CrispyQ

(39,556 posts)
63. Yes, the lazy, complicit media's red state/blue state depiction of our country is deliberate, misleading, & dividing.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:47 PM
Tuesday


IDK why the dems don't update & use this map every election. Why is some third party doing it? My right wing cousin HATES this map. He pokes fun at some of the stuff I post but this one really agitated him.

FakeNoose

(37,242 posts)
27. National Guard units are under the control of their respective Governors, am I right?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:42 AM
Tuesday

Each state has its own Guard units, and they don't have federal commanders. I don't know how Chump or the US military could "command" them.

Also I find it hard to believe that ANY Governor - R or D - would use their National Guard against another state. That would truly be the end of everything. But it couldn't happen unless some Governor goes rogue for Chump.

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
73. Federalization
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:24 PM
Tuesday

Legally, a President can federalize, or take control over State National Guard units. States can also have something called a State Defense Force, which is under the sole command of the State Governor, and can not be federalized like the State National Guard. The State Defense Forces are essentially State Militia. For example, the State Defense Force in New York is called the New York Guard. Unfortunately, their numbers are very small and negligible compared to the U.S. Military and the National Guard. My thought is that perhaps Blue State Governors could expand their respective State Defense Forces but I am not sure how realistic that is and how quickly it could be done.

Here are links to the Wikipedia articles on the New York Guard and the State Defense Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Guard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force

Farmer-Rick

(11,741 posts)
15. Yup, drug monkey Musk doesn't like those protests
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:41 AM
Tuesday

Against his failing corporations. And Pedo Trump just loves killing things just as long as someone else is put in harms way to do it.

A mass shooting of protesting Americans will warm the cockles of Putin's tiny heart.

magicarpet

(18,121 posts)
78. Us Troops terms of engagement with US Citizens,...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:13 PM
Tuesday

..... shoot to kill if anyone says anything derogatory or insulting to or about the Tangerine Menace during any/all public protests. Can they be buried in mass graves on the side of the road ?

FirstLight

(15,017 posts)
2. Direct attack on personal freedoms!
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:07 AM
Tuesday

Okay Dems, what are we going to do about it?

This is bigger than telling them to be hands off. This is bigger than protests. I want to see some genuine outrage from our Democratic leaders and they better step up quick to do something about this! Because this is setting up framework for martial law. And if they don't see that then we're all fucked

WinstonSmith4740

(3,292 posts)
23. Okay Dems, what are we going to do about it?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:38 AM
Tuesday

There's no doubt in my mind that Schumer already has a "strongly worded letter" with multiple talking points and "strong" questions all ready to go.

bucolic_frolic

(50,076 posts)
3. *Ding, Ding* Any Republicans awake?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:12 AM
Tuesday

Everyone will be forced to behave. Whatever the hell that means.

hadEnuf

(3,157 posts)
60. Not to mention that ICE can kick your door in and come in shooting if they "suspect" you
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:12 PM
Tuesday

of hiding illegals, then arrest and disappear you even if it is a mistake.

marble falls

(65,029 posts)
4. And by a group of people who swore to uphold the Constitution. Irony by the ton with these guys.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:12 AM
Tuesday

JohnnyRingo

(19,871 posts)
5. Now he wants to declare war on us. The citizens.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:13 AM
Tuesday

Absolutely, his core staff (Stephen Miller) is aware of the rumbling and cries for resistance through civil disobedience and he seeks a way to control through a military front.

Expect protests to be met with assault rifles and armored personnel carriers. Army helicopters in the air and orders to shoot those who fail to comply with orders to disperse.

The big question is who will carry it out. Sure, Hegseth is all over such action, but those from Pentagon officers down to field soldiers may not want to take action against friends, family, and neighbors.

Shipwack

(2,637 posts)
21. I'm hoping that there'll be "weaponized incompetence".
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:20 AM
Tuesday

If not from the Joint Chiefs, from others down the chain. They’ve done it before, such as when the transgender ban was first ordered….

Truth Social post:” I hereby order the National Guard Troops to open fire on the terrorist illegal protestors in Michigan”

::crickets::

Trump: “Why is no one dying!!!?”

NG Commander:”Sorry, we can’t take orders from social media”

::Orders issued::

NG commander:”Will do sir, but we’ll have to go back to HQ for ammo. We were sent here for crowd control. I thought you meant directing traffic.”

Etc.

I doubt it will go as well as that, but I’m hoping it won’t go smoothly , either.

::evil voice inside my head:: “It took only one person at Kent State to start shooting…”

JohnnyRingo

(19,871 posts)
71. I recall him wondering why they can't just shoot BLM protestors ....
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:59 PM
Tuesday

... "in the legs".
Compassionate madman.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
35. That is precisely
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:47 PM
Tuesday

why they will use soldiers in Red States, and transport them to Blue States, for instance. So that the soldiers will not be facing friends, family and neighbors.......

This military use in civilian matters opens a WHOLE NEW pandora's box, WHICH FITS INTO TRUMP/PUTIN'S MASTER PLAN....
That is....him "JUSTIFYING HIS ACTIONS" by saying there are not enough Military stationed in the U.S. to pull it off, and therefore Trump having a reason to Close down U.S. NATO Country Military Bases and bringing their Soldiers back to the U.S.A.....

He has already begun working towards this, with firing existing top military officers and inserting his own TrumpHumping Military Officers...

Wednesdays

(20,487 posts)
85. When Fox News
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 09:12 AM
Wednesday

(which is on at all military facilities) and a.m. radio convinces them that the protesters are traitors, the rest is easy.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
31. Trump, Putin and the Republican Party
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:25 PM
Tuesday

wood all be sporting "Woodies" 24/7 if they could incite a Military Coup................

Many have been talking for years about this being his final push to forcefully taking over the United States Civilian population....

Ever since J6th, I have been wondering how deeply the Trump Humpers had infiltrated the ranks in the U.S. Military, National Guard, FBI, Secret Service, Border Patrol, ICE, State Parol cops, Civilian Police Forces, DOJ, Federal Marshalls, ATF, the list is endless.

There in is the answer to the Future of our Beloved Nation, the Constitution, and Democracy....

purr-rat beauty

(708 posts)
12. These fuckers...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:53 AM
Tuesday

...are pining for a massive response so they can claim that Martial Law was warranted

This is fucking bullshit

If the military follows the empty suit we are doomed

Lonestarblue

(12,578 posts)
13. Trump is planning for a police state to support his dictatorship.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:01 AM
Tuesday

He is turning the US into Venezuela, complete with the self-enriching utter corruption at the top. All US policy is now for sale to the highest bidder.

Hekate

(97,455 posts)
14. Tipping point reached: All of you need to have a look at the post about the polls, link here
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:01 AM
Tuesday
Most Americans see Trump as "dangerous dictator," poll says (Axios)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220278060

Layzeebeaver

(1,930 posts)
16. "Strengthening and Unleashing America's Military to Act Like Criminals and Intimidate Innocent Civilians"
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:48 AM
Tuesday

they're still working on the acronym...

BumRushDaShow

(151,663 posts)
20. -OR-
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:17 AM
Tuesday
Surging
Actions to
Violate
Everyone's
Rights

(we feds - current or former, had to actually come up with acronyms )

Nigrum Cattus

(494 posts)
19. the repugs could easily stop this
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:14 AM
Tuesday

will not work
as soon as businesses start losing money things will change

Moostache

(10,474 posts)
22. Note to Guardsmen...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:34 AM
Tuesday

IF you follow illegal orders, you WILL be prosecuted and you WILL be brought to justice for your crimes.
IF you fire on American citizens exercising their Constitutional rights, you AND your families will be shamed for the next 100 years.
When Trump does flee the country, he won't take you with him, but we will come for justice.

Fair warning. "I was just following orders" is not a legitimate defense for murder or human rights abuse.

Wednesdays

(20,487 posts)
86. "History is written by the victors"
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 09:20 AM
Wednesday

A quote falsely attributed to Winston Churchill, but it's still true. As long as MAGAts retain power, no one following TSF's orders will ever be tried.

Remember, "It's not illegal if the President orders it."

Chasstev365

(5,397 posts)
24. The Desperate Last Stand of Tyrannical Thug
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:38 AM
Tuesday

There are 348 million of us and a few thousand of you. I'd be very careful. The odds are not in your favor.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,292 posts)
28. Ever read the "Peter Principle"?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:47 AM
Tuesday

For the young'uns out there, it came out in the 70's.

The Peter Principle, the eponymous law Dr. Laurence J. Peter coined, explains that everyone in a hierarchy-from the office intern to the CEO, from the low-level civil servant to a nation's president will inevitably rise to his or her level of incompetence.

These guys are the Peter Princlple...on acid. Incompetent doesn't even begin to describe them.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,523 posts)
33. Hegseth got promoted after he'd reached his level of incompetence
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:36 PM
Tuesday

He screwed up a charity, had credible sexual harassment allegations against him, but the Senate still let him in. You could argue Trump was too - all those bankruptcies, but gullible voters saw him as a "successful businessman" - twice. But I suppose they'd seen him play one on TV, and that was good enough for them - I'm not sure if Peter took into account play-acting at being competent.

hadEnuf

(3,157 posts)
61. We've let Republican-Fascist propaganda take over the airwaves and internet for decades
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:26 PM
Tuesday

and have not done one frigging thing about it. Now we have a couple of generations of brainwashed animals who know nothing but Fox news and the other sewer outlets.

Even now, more could be being done to counter or compete with this, but there seems to be no interest in doing that.

PortTack

(35,613 posts)
29. I think donnie and company better quit while they're ahead! Martial law and arresting Supreme Court justices
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:50 AM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Is more than step too far.

Personally I think this worthless EO will be challenged in court and thrown out before the two scatter brains- bondi and the drunken secretary have a chance to put anything together.

. As far as arresting supreme ct justices, they have powerful friends in powerful places….I wouldn’t even be talking about that.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
32. Hilarious Note:
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:30 PM
Tuesday

In a group of civilian LEO Trump Humpers, Trump, seeking to use the U.S. Military, has NOT ONE SINGLE military officer present…..AND NO police officers from the Capitol Police, D.C. Police, or DC National Guard........That defended the Capitol on J6th

But absolutely hilarious, is Bimbo Bondi………She displays how ANY Republican woman, around any of these Republicans, must pose…..Hands protecting her VJ and legs crossed..........

johnnyfins

(2,011 posts)
34. What is with the sheriff with the brown vest
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:40 PM
Tuesday

Does he think he is in a John Wayne movie? All of them look like they are straight outta Dukes of Hazzard.

BumRushDaShow

(151,663 posts)
36. "All of them look like they are straight outta Dukes of Hazzard"
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:47 PM
Tuesday

I wouldn't put it past them to bust out with the "General Lee"!



DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
38. I would love to see
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:51 PM
Tuesday

The names/ ranks/ and city/states they are all from......They all look like a bunch of yokels from Dukes of Hazards like you said....

What was the Sheriff's name in the DOH series???????

BumRushDaShow

(151,663 posts)
41. LOL
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:56 PM
Tuesday

I haven't glanced at that show in YEARS.

BUT OMG - my brain pulled up a long lost brain file - "Boss Hogg".

(I was thinking, wasn't there a guy named "Hog"? And the file appeared. )

muriel_volestrangler

(103,523 posts)
62. I'm pulling "Rosco Pee Coltraaayne" from my memory
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:41 PM
Tuesday

though it's just possible that's the comedy sheriff from a couple of Roger Moore James Bond movies.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
37. Hey BRDS
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:49 PM
Tuesday

Think about this:

This military use in civilian matters opens a WHOLE NEW pandora's box, WHICH FITS INTO TRUMP/PUTIN'S MASTER PLAN....
That is....him "JUSTIFYING HIS ACTIONS" by saying there are not enough Military stationed in the U.S. to pull it off, and therefore Trump having a reason to Close down U.S. NATO Country Military Bases and bringing their Soldiers back to the U.S.A.....

That, for certain, would make Putin Ecstatic..............

BumRushDaShow

(151,663 posts)
42. I think he had already talked about that early on
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:00 PM
Tuesday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143420889

And that may have included closing down the European bases and bringing people back here - basically as part of turning a back on NATO.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
44. Exactly, as you have said before
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:12 PM
Tuesday

and giving him Millions more military for his Military Coup in the U.S., and giving NATO countries, a kiss of death for Putin.....

thesquanderer

(12,584 posts)
39. "Whoever" in the Posse Comitatus Act arguably excludes the President...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 12:53 PM
Tuesday

...because the SC has determined that the President cannot be prosecuted for any action performed in his role as president.

TomSlick

(12,358 posts)
80. The Posse Comitatus Act very clearly doesn't exclude the President.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:37 PM
Tuesday

However, the immunity SCOTUS created (from whole cloth) would shield Trump from prosecution. The SCOTUS created immunity does not protect people beneath the President and certainly not members of the military, at least the Title X, i.e. federal, forces. National Guard personnel are not subject to the Posse Comitatus Act unless they are federalized.

If I was still a serving Army Judge Advocate, I would advise any commander given an order to violate the Posse Comitatus Act that they must disobey the order or risk prosecution.

thesquanderer

(12,584 posts)
83. re: "the immunity SCOTUS created (from whole cloth) would shield Trump from prosecution"
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:34 AM
Wednesday

That's exactly why I said what I said, that based on current Supreme Court rulings, the president seems to now be excluded from the "whoever" in the Posse Comitatus Act, in that he cannot be prosecuted, cannot be "fined...or imprisoned not more than two years, or both". Under current SC interpretation, the act effectively does not apply to Trump.

re: "The SCOTUS created immunity does not protect people beneath the President and certainly not members of the military" -- True, but for federal crimes, he has the ability to pardon anyone he wants to, which in this case could include anyone who follows his orders.

TomSlick

(12,358 posts)
87. Immunity from prosecution is not really the same as being excluded under the law.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 07:18 PM
Wednesday

A violation of the Posse Comitatus Act would certainly be a "high crime or misdemeanor" subjecting Trump from impeachment. All we need is a majority in the House and a super majority in the Senate.

A violation of the Posse Comitatus Act just might be the type of criminal activity that would garner a few GOP votes to convict, especially if the public reacts as a badly as it should to turning federal troops on the public.

I also hold out some hope that SCOTUS might reconsider its creation of presidential immunity. The decision is so obviously wrong, invites so many evils, and so upends the nature of the constitutional balance, that SCOTUS really ought to recant.

Thunderbeast

(3,643 posts)
43. Things are lining up for Insurrection Act announcement at birthday military parade.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:08 PM
Tuesday

June 14.

OK Sheeple.... Who CAN stop him other than a military coup.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
46. That is my thought
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:21 PM
Tuesday

for months now.....the only thing that can save the U.S., Democracy, and the Constitution is a Military Coup AGAINST Trump's CABAL....
I also am worried, because it has was demonstrated during the J6th Treasonous event, that there were many Capitol Police, D.C. Police, D.C. National Guard that actually assisted the insurrectionists. I have to wonder how deeply the Trumphumpers have covertly infiltrated the U.S. Military, Secret Service, FBI, State and Local LEO's, etc etc etc....

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
75. Important Point
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:58 PM
Tuesday

You make an important point. Resistance has to come not just from outside the federal government and military, but also inside the federal government and military.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
82. Biggest group
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:51 PM
Tuesday

we should worry about not being on our side, would probably be the all the local Sheriffs and Police................

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
48. Trump's ex wife
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:26 PM
Tuesday

tells of us how Trump kept Hitler's papers by his bedside for reading before bedtime, and how he thought Hitler was brilliant.....

He is directing all his CABAL to follow countless numbers of the things that Hitler's did in his run-up for Dictatorship

Please recall, when Hilary was laughed at, by dems included, when she said: THERE IS A GIANT RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY"

mahatmakanejeeves

(64,512 posts)
47. 1. Require that all privately-owned firearms be turned in to the military.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:26 PM
Tuesday

Oh, yeah, that's going to be popular.

DENVERPOPS

(11,966 posts)
49. LOL
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:29 PM
Tuesday

they only will require that of liberals and Dem voters........

I remember reading somewhere that 80% of all gun owners were Republicans......don't know that as a fact, but could easily believe that given all their 2nd amendment screaming...

Ponietz

(3,600 posts)
55. Note the Democratic governor of NM already activated the National Guard to patrol streets in Albuquerque
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:46 PM
Tuesday

Several weeks ago.

IbogaProject

(4,333 posts)
59. States should pass laws disallowing the use of the military with law enforcement
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:03 PM
Tuesday

And legally ban any coordination. States rights, and stop cooperation with this federal overreach.

turbinetree

(26,056 posts)
69. Reads like Victor Orban gave the traitor the play book to do this when he last visited the fascist traitor dictator
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:40 PM
Tuesday

last year and then supreme court gave the traitor basically immunity..........and he got help from the senate when they did not impeach this asshole, not once but twice they failed in their job description........................JFC.............

bluestarone

(19,707 posts)
70. THIS my friends is exactly why TSF defends Hegseth and BONDI.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 05:51 PM
Tuesday

I'm positive TSF has his JAN 6st people doing his dirty ICE shit, (some here will argue that) Now he's going after MORE help. They will be arresting protesters next. The writing is on the wall folks.

BidenRocks

(1,389 posts)
72. Our military and police need to really consider this.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:18 PM
Tuesday

We shoot back! Do you really want to take on a country of veterans, trained in combat and heavily armed?

Veterans also know our militaries weaknesses, like IEDs. You do not want to follow chimp into hell.

Will chump call for airstrikes in Los Angeles and New York? We have drones to FOD your engines.

Chumps need for approval also makes him a target. Are the SS really willing to die for him?

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
77. House To House Arrest
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:08 PM
Tuesday

While I am concerned that military might be ordered to fire on protestors, my main concern is that military with police powers will go house to house to search for "anti-American" "enemies of the state" and arrest them. To be taken to a prison or a camp. Of course, we who resist this tyranny are the real Americans, and Trump and his gang of MAGA criminals are the real traitors-- Traitors to America and the Constitution.

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
79. States Rights
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 08:52 PM
Tuesday

States should pass laws blocking the use of the federal military as law enforcement in their state jurisdictions. State police and state defense forces should be bolstered and trained to oppose this tyrannical federal overreach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force

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