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SamuelAdams

(416 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 10:51 AM Thursday

Remember when the Supreme Court stole an election?

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Remember when the Supreme Court stole an election?

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Executive Dysfunction

Welcome to Season 1, Episode 1 of Executive Dysfunction: a deep dive into the presidential election of 2000, in which a butterfly ballot, a discriminatory voter purge, a staged riot by dorks in khaki, and a Supreme Court ruling that its own authors said should never be used as precedent combined to hand the presidency to George W. Bush... by 537 votes in Florida. Oh, and did we mention his brother was Governor?

00:00 – Welcome to Executive Dysfunction
00:47 – Why the 2000 Election Matters
01:19 – Meet Al Gore vs. George W. Bush
05:31 – Why Florida Decided Everything
06:14 – Elian Gonzalez & The "Punishment Vote"
08:10 – Florida's Voter Purge Scandal
10:41 – Katherine Harris and Conflicts of Interest
12:02 – Election Night Chaos
13:38 – The Recount Begins
14:50 – The Butterfly Ballot Disaster
16:44 – Hanging Chads & The Failed Recount
18:01 – Jeb Bush's Team Joins the Fight
18:38 – The Brooks Brothers Riot
20:00 – The Supreme Court Stops the Recount
21:13 – The Justices Behind Bush v. Gore
22:48 – What Happened After the Election?
24:27 – Did Al Gore Actually Win?
25:38 – The Lasting Lessons of 2000
27:12 – Al Gore's Concession Speech
29:23 – Final Thoughts & Next Episode Preview
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Welcome to Executive Dysfunction
0:00


Why the 2000 Election Matters
0:47


Meet Al Gore vs. George W. Bush
1:19


Why Florida Decided Everything
5:31

Elian Gonzalez & The "Punishment Vote"
6:14

Florida's Voter Purge Scandal
8:10

Katherine Harris and Conflicts of Interest
10:41

Election Night Chaos
12:02

The Recount Begins
13:38

The Butterfly Ballot Disaster
14:50

Hanging Chads & The Failed Recount
16:44

Jeb Bush's Team Joins the Fight
18:01

The Brooks Brothers Riot
18:38

The Supreme Court Stops the Recount
20:00

The Justices Behind Bush v. Gore
21:13

What Happened After the Election?
22:48

Did Al Gore Actually Win?
24:27

The Lasting Lessons of 2000
25:38

Al Gore's Concession Speech
27:12

Final Thoughts & Next Episode Preview
29:23

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Remember when the Supreme Court stole an election? (Original Post) SamuelAdams Thursday OP
12/12/2000 - the day journalism died 31st Street Bridge Thursday #1
Those that objected were shouted down MustLoveBeagles Thursday #6
That was even Al Gore's response orthoclad Thursday #15
Yeah and Barack Obama didn't learn from Gore's mistake. choie Friday #27
They stopped counting to protect Bush's "win" crud Thursday #2
The intent of the voter was the law in Florida in 2000 DemocracyForever Thursday #3
I was headed to Florida for the recount when this decision came down LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #4
"It the statewide recount had proceeded Al Gore would have won" Polybius Friday #19
This is very old from DU LetMyPeopleVote Friday #22
The media did not follow Florida election law DemocracyForever Friday #25
I agree-the intent of the voter was easy to determine from these ballots LetMyPeopleVote Friday #28
Yes DemocracyForever Friday #26
Thank you MustLoveBeagles Thursday #5
Unfortunately Pas-de-Calais Thursday #7
In Exquisite Detail, OP. ColoringFool Thursday #8
I still remember but, I've put it all behind me.... chouchou Thursday #9
The Bush 2000 coup can never be forgotten DemocracyForever Friday #24
I can remember seeing Jeb Bush's name listed as the realtor on a piece of rural South Florida farm property. NBachers Thursday #10
Yes, the Court should have been reformed at that time... kentuck Thursday #11
Sandra Day O'Connor's shameful legacy Easterncedar Thursday #12
Gore offered Bush a statewide count DemocracyForever Thursday #13
Yes indeed Deminpenn Thursday #14
and the court also said that the verdict was basically a special one time thing so that it could be used against them in Jbraybarten Thursday #16
They rioted to stop the count. orthoclad Thursday #17
Gore did not back down DemocracyForever Friday #23
Post removed Post removed Friday #18
And DU was born because of it. Solly Mack Friday #20
How could I forget? raccoon Friday #21

31st Street Bridge

(268 posts)
1. 12/12/2000 - the day journalism died
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:29 AM
Thursday

After SCOTUS illegally stopped a state-mandated vote recount and installed GW Bush as president,
the national media's response was ...
"Let's just move on."

orthoclad

(5,299 posts)
15. That was even Al Gore's response
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:06 PM
Thursday

for the good of the country or similar response.

Backing down to bullies just makes them worse.

crud

(1,332 posts)
2. They stopped counting to protect Bush's "win"
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:53 AM
Thursday

Up until then the courts always decided that the "will of the voter" took precedence over all other considerations.

Republicans want to protect elections from voters instead of for voters.

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
3. The intent of the voter was the law in Florida in 2000
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:37 PM
Thursday

It was not followed. In addition, 10,000 absentee ballots that the counting machines could not read that were located in the most heavily republican voting counties were hand duplicated and counted as Florida election law in 2000 allowed. These ballots favored Bush by more than 2 to 1. This is what made it possible for Bush to steal the election. The existence of these hand duplicated GOP absentee ballot was documented by a 5/7/01 Orlando Sentinel article,
Mangled ballots resurrected".

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,389 posts)
4. I was headed to Florida for the recount when this decision came down
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:40 PM
Thursday

It the statewide recount had proceeded Al Gore would have won, Gore won the 2000 election and was cheated.

Polybius

(22,319 posts)
19. "It the statewide recount had proceeded Al Gore would have won"
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:39 AM
Friday

Has that ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,389 posts)
22. This is very old from DU
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:46 AM
Friday

There were a number of counties with scan ballots where voters both voted for Al Gore and then wrote Al Gore's name in. These votes were rejected but should have been counted for Gore. Gore would have won with these votes.

I am active on voter protection issues and I have posted articles on the recount. I could not find my posts but I did find this from the editors of DU from 2001
https://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/11/p/12_gorewon.html

As the National Opinion Research Council (NORC) Florida recount results hit the press last night, one thing is clear: Not only did more people nationwide choose Al Gore as their President, but more people in Florida cast their ballots for Gore.

A year after election day, we have bittersweet vindication that a statewide recount — by any standard — would have handed Gore the state, and the presidency. Whether you like your chads dimpled, hanging, or poked clean through, Gore is your man.

The final numbers? Gore by a margin of 60 to 171 votes (depending on the standard) had every legally-cast vote in the state been counted. This may not seem like much, but it's plenty. In a Democracy, the idea is that the majority decides who will represent them. Gore's margin is small, but it still puts him on top.

Keep in mind that the NORC totals do not include a huge number of additional overvotes that favored Gore by a large margin. From the New York Times: "More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations." But even without this relatively huge block of votes, Gore won Florida if the recount had been allowed to proceed.

Not surprisingly, the conservative news media seems to be giving the greatest amount of play to the revelation that Gore's flawed recount strategy would have resulted in a Bush win. But this angle misses the point. The point of the recount was not to weigh the merits of Gore's strategy. The point of the NORC recount was to determine once and for all who really won Florida.

On that, the recount leaves little doubt; Gore won.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies

The studies also show that Gore likely would have won a statewide recount of all undervotes and overvotes, which are ballots that included multiple votes for president and were thus not counted at all. However, his legal team never pursued this action.

Again, scan ballots were new in 2000 and evidently a good number of voters checked the box for Al Gore and then wrote Al Gore in on the ballot which caused an "overvote" which invalidated the ballot. If these ballots were counted Al Gore would have won

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
25. The media did not follow Florida election law
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:16 PM
Friday

which required that all votes where the intent of the voter is clear be counted. The media invented vote counting scenarios that did not exist in Florida election law in order to not count all of the uncounted votes and invent a Bush "win" that does not in fact exist. It's important to remember that the uncounted Florida votes are located in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida. There's no way that Bush got more votes in Florida.

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,389 posts)
28. I agree-the intent of the voter was easy to determine from these ballots
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 04:20 PM
Friday

Al Gore won the 2000 election

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
26. Yes
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:19 PM
Friday

A separate vote count done by impartial volunteers of all of the uncounted votes proved it. It's also important to remember that most of the uncounted votes are located in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida.

chouchou

(3,456 posts)
9. I still remember but, I've put it all behind me....
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:16 PM
Thursday

..sorta' like a 50 car Freight-Train bearing down on me at a crossing....while my car stalled.

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
24. The Bush 2000 coup can never be forgotten
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:11 PM
Friday

It made possible the nightmare our country is currently going through. There would be no Trump now without Bush/Florida 2000.

NBachers

(19,683 posts)
10. I can remember seeing Jeb Bush's name listed as the realtor on a piece of rural South Florida farm property.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:19 PM
Thursday

Bob Graham was governor at the time. A sense of deep foreboding came over me. And the political, environmental, and military atrocities that have followed stemmed from that day.

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
13. Gore offered Bush a statewide count
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:06 PM
Thursday

As someone who spent 15 years working on election campaigns in Florida, under the laws that were on the books in 2000, there are some points made in this podcast that I need to correct Missing from this podcast is the fact that during a prime time address during the Florida election dispute, Al Gore offered to drop all legal proceedings if Bush would agree to the statewide count of the uncounted Florida votes. Bush refused.

I also find it disappointing that the podcaster attacked Al Gore for following what Florida election law actually was in 2000. The Gore campaign targeted the counties where most of the uncounted votes were actually located. They turned out to be the largest and most heavily democratic counties in Florida. In 2000, Florida election law did not allow for a statewide vote count because the Florida legislature believed that the votes should be counted in the counties where the votes were actually cast. The Florida legislature then gave the counties the authority to handle election disputes. These were 2 of the reforms passed in the aftermath of the 1876 Presidential election that Florida was also at the center of. In 1876. In 1876, the GOP controlled Florida statewide canvassing board threw out the votes of 1,800 democrats which was more than enough votes to change the outcome of that election in favor of the republican Presidential candidate Rutherford Hayes. To prevent this throwing out of votes from happening again, the Florida legislature passed a reform that required the counting of all votes where the intent of the voter was clear. This is a clear standard that's the voting counting standard in most states including Texas. This reform clearly failed in 2000 thanks to Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and the GOP controlled SCOTUS.
The GOP controlled SCOTUS's ruling was unconstitutional because the constitution gives the states the authority to conduct elections and it gives the U.S. House of Representatives the authority to settle disputed elections not 5 unelected, highly partisan SCOTUS judges. It also violated the 14th amendment because GOP ballots that the counting machines could not read got counted while Dem ballots that the counting machines couldn't read were not counted. The podcast also doesn't note the fact that not 1 dem U.S. Senator would co-sponsor the Congressional Black Caucus's challenge to the fraudulent Florida 2000 vote count.
Furthermore, Jeb's interference started will before election day by making numerous public threats that he would carry Florida for his brother in addition to the felon purge. Jeb also singlehandedly changed Florida absentee ballot law without a vote of the Florida legislature in order to increase GOP turnout. During the election dispute, Jeb threated to take away state business from Florida law firms who took Al Gore's case.
In conclusion, I really take issue with the podcaster for blaming Al Gore for the Bush brothers all-out assault on American democracy in Florida. Our country will never be the same because of it.

Deminpenn

(17,647 posts)
14. Yes indeed
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:42 PM
Thursday

Now 3 of the R lawyers involved in that case have lifetime appointments on SCOTUS.

Jbraybarten

(304 posts)
16. and the court also said that the verdict was basically a special one time thing so that it could be used against them in
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:08 PM
Thursday

the future... though they would happily do it again for a R..

orthoclad

(5,299 posts)
17. They rioted to stop the count.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:08 PM
Thursday

remember the "Brooks Brothers Riot"?

and the nation (or at least the court and Gore) backed down.

DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
23. Gore did not back down
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:08 PM
Friday

The Brooks Brothers riot was based on a total lie. The rioters were GOP operatives, not local Miami residents. Al Gore did all he could short of a civil war to have the uncounted Florida votes counted. The Rehnquist 5 were determined to thwart the will of the people and install Bush. Senate dems should've picked up on the Congressional Black Caucus's challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count by refusing to certify the election until all of the uncounted Florida votes were counted which is what Florida election law in 2000 required.

Response to SamuelAdams (Original post)

raccoon

(32,512 posts)
21. How could I forget?
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:36 AM
Friday

That was a coup, my friends.

I didn't think of that myself, but somebody said it was and I totally agree.

I'll believe until my dying day that Gore won, and that Donnie DIDN'T win in 2016 nor in 2024.

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