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"While these vehicles are widely available and, in many cases, unregulated, they can pose very real dangers especially for young adolescents who may not yet have the experience, judgment or understanding of traffic laws needed to operate them safely, Haverhill Public Schools Superintendent Margaret Marotta said.
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On Thursday, June 25, two children were riding a scooter together when they collided with a school bus at approximately 4 p.m. local time, the Essex County District Attorney's office said in a news release.
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Two girls on one scooter, they just went fast and they hit the bus, one child who witnessed the incident told NBC10, while another recalled seeing the two girls under the bus on the floor, not moving.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/12-year-old-girl-dead-another-injured-after-their-motorized-scooter-collided-with-a-school-bus/ar-AA26H5wY
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Why the hell are these scooters are even allowed on the streets? I have seen these things all over the place, zooming down sidewalks and on busy streets! I was behind two of them on a well trafficked road, they were going faster than I was. These things are not 'supposed' to go over 35 MPH, though as the article states many of these scooters are unregulated.
Jeebus C, I would never have allowed my kid to have one.
Deuxcents
(28,335 posts)And not purchasing these things?
sheshe2
(99,099 posts)No drivers Ed, no rules...nothing!
As a parent I wouldn't allow it. SMDH!
Deuxcents
(28,335 posts)No helmets, either..at night, reflectors are required and must have a front light. So..day and night, ya gotta be on the look out for them and school is out now..another problem in itself
sheshe2
(99,099 posts)...and there will be more and more fatalities.
Maybe I am just old and cranky, but something just isn't right about this.
LeftInTX
(35,008 posts)sheshe2
(99,099 posts)RockRaven
(20,101 posts)The wreckage in the article's first picture is not what I expected from "electric scooter" or "motorized scooter" but the article repeatedly calls it that, so I shall proceed with my two cents anyway.
In CA, motorized scooters are classified in such a way that a driver's license is required (in practice that means a minimum age as well). Only one rider allowed. And they have a 15 MPH speed limit, and limited operational areas.
From the CA state website:
You can only drive motorized scooters on a bicycle path, trail, or bikeway, not on a sidewalk, and you cannot exceed a speed of 15 mph.
You do not need to register motorized scooters.
You can drive a motorized scooter with any class drivers license.
Some schools around here have already limited which types of e-bikes and such are allowed on campuses (lots of elementary and middle schoolers ride to/from) to discourage usage of the more dangerous/capable/faster ones and to knock some awareness into the parents -- many of whom are apparently oblivious to the dangers their purchases have created.
More law enforcement is not the solution to every problem (including this one), but I am curious what the specific laws in MA are... The article doesn't really say.
sheshe2
(99,099 posts)Here is a quick summary:
Massachusetts currently defines an electric bicycle around class 1 and class 2 treatment in Chapter 90.
Massachusetts gives e-bikes bicycle-style rights and duties, but expressly bans them from sidewalks.
Massachusetts lets local or state authorities regulate e-bike use on bike paths, bikeways, and natural-surface trails after public notice and a hearing.
Massachusetts uses a two-speed framework for mopeds: the machine can be defined around a 30 mph maximum capability but cannot be operated above 25 mph.
Massachusetts still requires a license or learner's permit for both mopeds and scooters.
Massachusetts motorized scooters have distinctive restrictions, including no passengers and no riding after sunset or before sunrise.
Moped riders must be at least 16 and licensed
https://www.motorizedbicyclehq.com/motorized-bicycle-laws-massachusetts/
Fact is that I have seen them flying on sidewalks. The two kids on the road in front of me were going about 35 MPH, that was the speed I was going. Most of the ones I have seen do not look 16 years old.
pat_k
(14,563 posts)Here in Seattle people speed around on these things, running lights, dodging in and out of traffic.
They can go 60 mph. They are supposed to follow speed limits, but no rider I've seen on the streets here does. And it is even a bit difficult to see how a cop would catch one of these things.
As far as I know, there's
No age requirement.
No licensing.
No insurance needed.
Just keeps on getting worse!
Orrex
(67,567 posts)Meanwhile in my small town, they race through four-way-stop intersections without pause, onto and off of sidewalks without signaling, in and out of traffic, etc.
And I seldom see the rider wearing a helmet.
JCMach1
(29,272 posts)Cause a disproportionate number of accidents. It's frankly an epidemic.
MineralMan
(152,103 posts)That's against the law in most places, but 12-year-olds are not well-known for understanding and following adult laws. I'm afraid that too many parents are simply handing their kids such motorized vehicles and forgetting their responsibility to teach them to use them safely.
The end result will be a ban on the scooters, e-bikes, and other such things. That's a mistake, too.
Tragic ending to what the 12-year-olds thought was play.
ProfessorGAC
(77,717 posts)...a fatal crash on a scooter.
Even if these were regulated to 35mph max, that doesn't make them safe.
I knew a guy, 2 months after he retired, was bike riding when a driver opened his door to get out.
Unfortunately, that was just when the retiree was going around the car.
Hit the door, went flying. Died of head & neck injuries.
This guy was in his mid 60s & wasn't a Tour de France candidate. Perhaps he was going 20mph. Still enough to cause fatal injuries.
If I were going to regulate these, I'd set the max at 15.
Realistically, nobody that has one of these convenience cycles needs to go faster than a modest bicycle ride.
BeneteauBum
(985 posts)I look for pedestrians and vehicle traffic. These scooters on a sidewalk doing 30mph do not register
..they can be in an intersection in a moment. Plus these kids seem to have no concept of traffic laws. Finally, I hope Im not run over by one of these things while enjoying a stroll on a sidewalk; as a boomer, my hearing is degrading. Many expect you to know when they are approaching from the rear and further expect you to get out of the way.
Peace ☮️
sheshe2
(99,099 posts)though they are.
pinkstarburst
(2,111 posts)They need to be classifying them as motor vehicles, not allowing any children under 16 to ride them at all due to how fast they can go, and requiring that you have insurance on them just like a car. But I think only like 1 state has proposed this. Very sad. Parents should not be getting these for kids.