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FakeNoose

(43,039 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:07 PM 4 hrs ago

Am I the only person who says EP-STINE not EP-STEEN?

I can't help it, because "Epstein" is a German name, and Germans would never say "Ep-STEEN." It's against my training/learning to say it incorrectly.

Any German word that has the "ei" letter combination is always pronounced as Long-I.
Stein, Heimlich, Klein, Nein ... these are words that almost any American can pronounce correctly, even if they don't speak German.

The German language is rich with "ei" words and almost all of them are pronounced with the Long-I. At the moment I can't think of a single word that doesn't, unless it was imported from English or another language.

And every day I hear the name pronounced on the news media as "EP-STEEN" and of course this only reinforces the error.

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Am I the only person who says EP-STINE not EP-STEEN? (Original Post) FakeNoose 4 hrs ago OP
I'm sure you're right about the correct Germanic pronunciation senseandsensibility 4 hrs ago #1
I would go by what people with the name say karynnj 4 hrs ago #2
OK I'm not arguing with that, but I never knew the man Jeffrey Epstein FakeNoose 4 hrs ago #4
You are not the only one. DavidDvorkin 4 hrs ago #3
I pronounce it -STINE as well Gruenemann 4 hrs ago #5
Good point - Yiddish is a German dialect, not a separate language FakeNoose 3 hrs ago #6

senseandsensibility

(26,026 posts)
1. I'm sure you're right about the correct Germanic pronunciation
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:13 PM
4 hrs ago

but names can be a little different. For instance, I have an unusual last name that others with the same name (not relatives) pronounce differently than my family does. They are spelled the same but it's another case of vowels being said differently.

karynnj

(61,223 posts)
2. I would go by what people with the name say
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:15 PM
4 hrs ago

I know several people who have the family name of Epstein, all Jewish. All of them say Ep steen.

Asking Google how it is pronounced suggested this is the most common pronunciation on North America. They mention this could be rooted in Yiddish.

They mention your pronunciation and say it is closer to the German pronunciation.

I have not heard a single person who knew Epstein pronounce the name as anything other than Ep steen.

FakeNoose

(43,039 posts)
4. OK I'm not arguing with that, but I never knew the man Jeffrey Epstein
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:30 PM
4 hrs ago

I'm only reading the name whenever it's printed in the news or on the internet, even here on DU.

I can't help it, I read this name as "Epstine" because that's how I am trained to read German.
If I were a TV newsreader I would have a real problem!

Gruenemann

(1,055 posts)
5. I pronounce it -STINE as well
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:02 PM
4 hrs ago

To me -STEEN is like fingernails on a blackboard.

I can't go against my training in German pronunciation.

Furthermore, I've spent seventy years hearing people mispronounce my German surname.

Now, if we're going for the Yiddish pronunciation, wouldn't it something like "Epshtayn" ?

FakeNoose

(43,039 posts)
6. Good point - Yiddish is a German dialect, not a separate language
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:15 PM
3 hrs ago

Here's an American example, (because I live in Pittsburgh, PA) many people around here say the word "creek" as "crick." We all know what that word means when we hear it, but it's not "hoch-Deutsch."

Also I read your name correctly, with no problem.

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