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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSorry Dan Goldman was defeated tonight
Perhaps he could serve in a new Democratic administration in 2029.
RandySF
(87,924 posts)mountain grammy
(29,410 posts)Or even Gillibrand's
choie
(7,112 posts)Demsrule86
(71,571 posts)mountain grammy
(29,410 posts)Even better!
Demsrule86
(71,571 posts)in a primary. He will lose if he is still defending Israel. They have been engaging in crimes against humanity in Gaza and in Lebanon. I can not defend that. Netanyahu will face elections soon...hope he loses. Are folks here aware the Israel has instituted the death penalty for Muslims but not for Jews by hanging? They claim it will be terrorists but their past says otherwise. I am part Jewish and supported Israel my entire life...but I can't anymore. I don't want Senators that will sell them weapons or give them money until they stop.
mountain grammy
(29,410 posts)My son has been urging me to vote for Kiros..
We filled out our ballots today.. last week I was still gonna vote for DeGette. Then I had my health scare and we still hadn't voted.
I voted for Kiros.. taking our ballots to our polling place now..
If DeGette wins, of course I'll vote for her, but she needs to know the status quo has got to go.. If New Yorkers can do it so can I!
I'm also Jewish. I feel like my mother would approve.
Greybnk48
(10,764 posts)canetoad
(21,217 posts)He was an excellent representative.
oasis
(54,330 posts)congressional hearings. He held witnesses feet to the fire.
Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)mopinko
(74,245 posts)AloeVera
(4,649 posts)mr715
(4,867 posts)Some can separate the actions of a nation (Israel) from the tenets of a religion (Judaism).
Some people's politics are focused on the USA and not overseas apartheid states that are our "BIBLICAL" ally.
legallyblondeNYC
(235 posts)It's a fallacy.
mr715
(4,867 posts)I suppose we should arm the Vatican with nukes to protect it from the Moors.
legallyblondeNYC
(235 posts)wnylib
(26,824 posts)Alpeduez21
(2,087 posts)Thats a ridiculous proposition
Demsrule86
(71,571 posts)Have you seen what the is happening in GAZA? Israel is also after Lebanon.
Alpeduez21
(2,087 posts)I am also aware that stating You cannot separate Israel from the Jewish people or vice versa. Is a ridiculous thing to say. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. You missed my point entirely. Please keep posting the atrocities, which the UN has deemed as genocide against children, far and wide. There are plenty of good decent moral Jews. The statement quoted does nothing to prevent rampant antisemitism. Its like stating ALL Americans are racist fucks because of MAGA
choie
(7,112 posts)Demsrule86
(71,571 posts)PufPuf23
(10,036 posts)Democratic voters voted for Lander over Goldman.
choie
(7,112 posts)lapucelle
(21,235 posts)and Israeli companies, including the weapons manufacturing giant Elbit, during his tenure as NYC comptroller.
NY-10 is getting exactly the representative that it voted for.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/12/11/nyc-pension-investment-israel-defense-firm-brad-lander-dan-goldman-congress-10-district-primary/
https://forward.com/news/831689/brad-lander-israel-palestinians-congress/
vanlassie
(6,303 posts)Thats a stretch.
Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)obamanut2012
(29,676 posts)lol
Come on.
JBTaurus83
(1,852 posts)Try harder.
AStern
(982 posts)AloeVera
(4,649 posts)This in spite of the endorsement of Goldman by Democratic luminaries Schumer, Jeffries, Hochul and Pelosi.
No, this was not just AIPAC. It was a massive repudiation by voters of the centrist/moderate position on Gaza and the unconditional support for Israel.
mr715
(4,867 posts)AloeVera
(4,649 posts)Massive repudiation not just of AIPAC but the centrist/moderate position on Gaza and unconditioned funding to Israel.
Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)AloeVera
(4,649 posts)I like to state the obvious - and with more words!
Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,669 posts)Maybe people will reconsider.
Nanjeanne
(6,840 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(27,561 posts)Too bad so sad.
Nanjeanne
(6,840 posts)kentuck
(116,043 posts)To help clean up the place.
Dave says
(5,498 posts)Sneederbunk
(17,774 posts)calimary
(91,449 posts)Hed be good at it. And it would pump up his profile, too - for possible future campaigns.
Demsrule86
(71,571 posts)I can not support Genocide.
jmbar2
(8,272 posts)I'm not a New Yorker, so not up on all the details, but he always seemed to be a solid, decent fighter. We need to find a new role for him. He is a keeper.
hlthe2b
(115,196 posts)There is certainly a need for more help on these voter disenfranchisement lawsuits that Marc Elias and his team (and others) are involved in.
I'm sorry he lost this time around. I thought he was an effective Congressman.
underpants
(197,816 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(44,614 posts)And was happy to have seen him parlay that into public service.
Rather disappointed by that outcome.
littlemissmartypants
(35,464 posts)But as an heir to the Levi Strauss & Co's fortune, his net worth is about a quarter of a billion.
Brad Lander, on the other hand, built his progressive campaign on small-dollar donations and grassroots energy.
Congratulations to all of the winners.
BigmanPigman
(55,742 posts)Every fucking day is the same as the previous day, only shittier due to the sadistic, greedy, psychopathic fake POTUS.
hurl
(1,071 posts)It seems to me that the locals in NY, who presumably know these candidates best, made their own decision. This looks like the most 'small-d' democratic outcome. I liked Goldman too and thought he was brilliant in his very public Trump opposition. That said, should I be upset if voters in that district, the very ones with the most to gain or lose, thought they could do even better?
RandySF
(87,924 posts)EndlessMaze
(111 posts)ITAL
(1,439 posts)Then again I've seen plenty of would be future stars fade away quickly.
Midwestern Democrat
(1,058 posts)by over 30 points is not typically a springboard to higher office - US Senator or Governor - a result like that is much more typically the end of one's political career.
mr715
(4,867 posts)He may very well receive an executive or ambassadorial job. The private sector is always there.
He certainly will be extremely wealthy and never want for anything in his personal life re: possessions
hurl
(1,071 posts)I like Goldman and wish him the best.
mr715
(4,867 posts)I empathize with you in spirit. It is disheartening to see people we've seen fight for us lose because of our inherent human tribalism. They're with our team, so we want them to win.
Please understand I am not trying to box you into feeling a certain way, I'm simply offering my perspective on coping with, shall we say, electoral disappointment.
I've stated before on this forum that it is healthier to view our elected officials strictly through a transactional, public policy agenda. When we are in a primary we ask ourselves, of the choices presented, which of these fulfills the conditions to both achieve the tactical victory of getting elected and the strategic victory of advancing social justice and protecting liberty.
Within this space, "narratives" or other electoral currents drift the conversation one way or the other. In this case, the endorsement of Mamdani and the general anti-establishment, anti-genocide currents pulled an incumbent down and elevated a pseudo-insurgent. I say "pseudo" because Lander is by no means an outsider or without independent qualifications of his own. His candidacy cannot be compared to true insurgent candidacies like Graham Platner or Zohran Mamdani himself.
At this point in history, I am of the opinion that the Democratic party is feeling a need to resist against old paradigms that have given us essentially no political success in the 21st century.
Finding "heroes" in politicians is a recipe for heartbreak because they aren't heroes. They are humans with ambitions. Moreover, they are often compromised by the system that elevates and exalts the rich and the powerful at the expense of those without. This selects for a 'ruling class' of self-interested, arrogant, and insulated leaders.
I was real sad to see Al Franken go, for example. I read his books. He made me laugh. But, on the whole, there was no value lost because his replacement was just as competent as he is, and he got to continue fighting the good fight on a different front than in the Senate. While I was sad to see him go, I processed that he isn't my personal friend and he isn't owed anything by virtue of being famous or having occupied the position he had.
So look... I feel like I know where you are coming from. I hope I understand. We are on the same team.
JBTaurus83
(1,852 posts)Water carriers who are upset that they are being challenged. The guy should have run a better campaign. Such is life, its a primary and he lost.
FHRRK1
(203 posts)But the incumbent got his ass kicked, why?
Response to FHRRK1 (Reply #29)
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FHRRK1
(203 posts)But still would like to see some locals weigh in. You want info on why Katie Porter flamed out, I'm your guy, live in the District she represented.
Did see some info in thread below, but here is my take. And it is basic physics. Push an object on a string far right and it will correct to far left. The middle/pliable five percent swings with the force. That's it.
Now a lot of other factors get mentioned and overblown, but it really comes down the physics, or just the feelings of the pliable 5%. With that, it seems like races like these may create infighting. Please remember, that infighting makes the pliable five percenters relavent.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221326227
obamanut2012
(29,676 posts)Brad Lander is not "far left." Lander is also Jewish, so he is not antisemitic.
Celerity
(55,364 posts)progressives foolishly all ran and split the vote, allowing Goldman to win the seat by winning only 25.8 per cent of the vote in the primary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York#District_10


In 2024, no serious candidate ran against Goldman, and yet he still only got 66.1 per cent of the vote in the primary.

In 2026, once Lander got in, no other major progressive ran against him (and Goldman) in the primary, so Lander easily beat Goldman.
walkingman
(11,302 posts)Celerity
(55,364 posts)Rhiannon12866
(261,135 posts)I'm also in New York and have always wished than I had Rep. Goldman instead of Stefanik.
NJCher
(43,816 posts)To hear Lander speak, notice how articulate he is. Not only is he able to articulate complex concepts exceedingly well, his rate of speech is perfect. I always make a point to listen to him WNYC.
Quiet Em
(3,241 posts)This was not a loss for the Democratic Party.
NY's 10th still has excellent representation in the House.
QueerDuck
(2,145 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(8,384 posts)and AOC doesn't run for that seat, he should go for it. He'd make a fine Senate candidate.
obamanut2012
(29,676 posts)This isn't a loss for the Dems.
TBF
(37,637 posts)but my guess is that even with establishment dems, some will fall due to an anti-establishment mood in the country right now. I'm glad a good progressive was elected but would've been fine w/either.
Hopefully when we get through these primaries and to the general that anti-establishment feeling will hold and usher out a lot of republicans. Then we can put Trump in lame duck status where he belongs.
DinahMoeHum
(23,760 posts)no matter who wins in the primary.
Eyes on the prize, folks.
TBF
(37,637 posts)lots of activists on this site who believe strongly in their candidates. But after we have to come together and push in every dem! 100% agree w/you!!
lapucelle
(21,235 posts)serve in the next Democratic administration (possibly as Attorney General), and run for Senate (and likely win) when a seat opens.
Meanwhile, the folks in NY-10 will get exactly the representation that they deserve.
AloeVera
(4,649 posts)I am sure that's what you meant. Right?
After all, that is what the people of NY-10 deserve. Right?
lapucelle
(21,235 posts)mr715
(4,867 posts)lapucelle
(21,235 posts)and Israel companies (including weapons manufacturer Elbit) during his time as NYC comptroller.
During his unsuccesful mayoral campaign, Lander told a progressive group in early 2025 the pension funds werent invested in any Israeli government bonds after being asked how he could as comptroller put pressure on Israel to end the war in Gaza. The funds at the time actually held more than $1 million in Israel bonds. Still, following Landers claim, the group, New York Progressive Action Network, endorsed Landers mayoral run.
Speaking around the same time to Zev Brenner, an Orthodox Jewish radio host, Lander struck a different note as he affirmed he remains opposed to the Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement that calls for pulling money out of Israel over its governments treatment of Palestinians. In that appearance, he specifically touted the Elbit investments.
The New York City pension funds are proudly invested in many Israeli-owned companies, tech companies like Nice Ltd, Elbit Systems, Mobileye, Teva Pharmaceutical and no, of course, were not going to divest from them, he said.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/12/11/nyc-pension-investment-israel-defense-firm-brad-lander-dan-goldman-congress-10-district-primary/
https://forward.com/news/831689/brad-lander-israel-palestinians-congress/
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Like I said, NY-10 is going to get exactly the representation that it voted for.
Nixie
(18,268 posts)lapucelle
(21,235 posts)I wonder how many folks in NY-10 realize that they voted for an anti-BDS, Hakeem-Jeffries-supporting, self-described liberal Zionist.
Nixie
(18,268 posts)lapucelle
(21,235 posts)without researching the candidate's actual record and stances is ill-advised at best.
But in the end, the seat remains blue, and a 57 year old career politician who identifies as an anti-BDS liberal Zionist will be sitting in it.
The fine folks in NY-10 will be getting exactly what they voted for, and they deserve nothing less.
Nixie
(18,268 posts)the real story.
AloeVera
(4,649 posts)Yes indeed.
A brilliant strategist and builder of both bridges and pathways. Also NOT the wild-eyed Islamicist, Israel-hating dangerous ideologue people in certain quarters make him out to be.
And thanks for the opportunity to showcase his brilliance to those who haven't figured that out yet - or feel threatened by him for some reason.
AloeVera
(4,649 posts)lapucelle
(21,235 posts)in Tuesday's election.
As NYC comptroller, Landers claimed to be duty bound to invest pension funds in Israeli government bonds, as well as in Israeli companies, including weapons manufacturing behemoth Elbit.
And he's already stated on the record that he will be voting for Hakeem Jeffries as leader.
If it wasn't clear before, I hope it is now.
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https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/12/11/nyc-pension-investment-israel-defense-firm-brad-lander-dan-goldman-congress-10-district-primary/
https://forward.com/news/831689/brad-lander-israel-palestinians-congress/
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SunImp
(2,749 posts)mr715
(4,867 posts)Mamdani would not have won if it were not for his symbiotic relationship with Lander.
lapucelle
(21,235 posts)Lander (who had expected a deputy mayor post) decided to run for Congress, and Mamdani quickly endorsed him.
Now Lander, a 57 year old career politician who identifies as a liberal Zionist, is out of NYC politics and headed for Washington where he has already pledged to vote for Hakeem Jeffries as Leader/Speaker.
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Behind the scenes, Mamdani was complaining to one friend weeks ago that he didnt know why everyone was on his case to have a transition plan mapped out already. With his closest aides, he was already compiling lists of potential appointments to top positions.
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[O]ver the summer, Mamdani would confide he wasnt much impressed with Lander. Nice enough guy, but he didnt seem particularly effective as comptroller, Mamdani said according to a person familiar with his comments. The two went weeks without talking, and though Lander would get defensive and blame overlapping post-election vacations, all his talk that hed be the one really running the city next year had gotten back to Mamdani and not gone over well.
By the weekend before the election, Landers wife was telling friends at a party that Mamdani had called to tell the comptroller he would not have a job in the administration since he wasnt getting the job he wanted. By the day before the election, Lander was reaching out to major donors to solicit commitments for a congressional run against Rep. Dan Goldman, according to a person familiar with the matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/politics/how-zohran-mamdani-won
LetMyPeopleVote
(183,985 posts)Goldman has been a great congressman