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It appears our Government is lying to us about the Iran war... (Original Post) spanone Tuesday OP
Oh My! malaise Tuesday #1
I know, it's SHOCKING!!!! spanone Tuesday #2
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked! ananda Tuesday #28
We are at a place in time where we can no longer believe or trust in the government. How sad. Katinfl Tuesday #3
I believe and trust the current administration... sindri Tuesday #11
Well, can anybody identify any clear lies the Iranians have told since Trump started bombing? Bluetus Tuesday #24
Or... the Iranians are gaslighting? There is no way we can know. Srkdqltr Tuesday #4
That's my response as well EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #6
Time will tell Kaleva Tuesday #7
Here's my take, which is speculation based on the track record in this sorry mess: Martin Eden Tuesday #18
On target Nasruddin Tuesday #25
They had to send amateurs, they fired most of the career diplomatic officials sboatcar Tuesday #27
Our Government Lying? Timewas Tuesday #5
I know, amazing. Srkdqltr Tuesday #8
The governmennt lying, death, taxes. You get it. twodogsbarking Tuesday #9
When it is more prudent to believe a spokesman for the Iranian regime... Martin Eden Tuesday #10
The Trump administration lied? Ray Bruns Tuesday #12
"It appears our Government is lying to us about....." PatSeg Tuesday #13
That would be a very, very short list. state of stupid Tuesday #20
Absolutely PatSeg Tuesday #21
*--* Gasp! *--* lastlib Tuesday #14
Yup. Their lips were moving... Martin68 Tuesday #15
As there's no real or measurable benefit otherwise, I'll presume Torchlight Tuesday #16
NO! SergeStorms Tuesday #17
The Iranians are telling truth. Our piece of s___ Republicans are LYING ! dave99 Tuesday #19
Ya Think? MineralMan Tuesday #22
trmp has proven that he is the most prodigious liar of all times. spanone Tuesday #23
It's not a good situation when reports from both sides are unreliable. Ocelot II Tuesday #26
Now ask IAEA Chief Grossi. moondust Tuesday #29
Vance, lying. Damn, I'm shocked. republianmushroom Tuesday #30
Really weird: public radio this morning snot Tuesday #31

Katinfl

(940 posts)
3. We are at a place in time where we can no longer believe or trust in the government. How sad.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 08:40 AM
Tuesday

sindri

(74 posts)
11. I believe and trust the current administration...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:46 AM
Tuesday

to always lie and act only in their own self-interest especially if it involves cruelty to others.

Bluetus

(3,339 posts)
24. Well, can anybody identify any clear lies the Iranians have told since Trump started bombing?
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:03 AM
Tuesday

It is not wise to trust anybody with a vested interest in anything. But practically everything Trump has said since the beginning of this "excursion" has been a lie. I am trying to recall any similar lies that have come from the Iranians.

Srkdqltr

(10,149 posts)
4. Or... the Iranians are gaslighting? There is no way we can know.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 08:41 AM
Tuesday

Just have to believe the side you trust. Oh ✋️ wait we can't trust either side.

EdmondDantes_

(2,286 posts)
6. That's my response as well
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:10 AM
Tuesday

When all sides are known liars, it's best to not trust any of them.

Martin Eden

(16,060 posts)
18. Here's my take, which is speculation based on the track record in this sorry mess:
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 10:21 AM
Tuesday

Readmission of inspectors was discussed as a possibility during current negotiations, but no actual agreement or protocols were reached at this time.

Vance is lying because the administration is desperate to show that Iran is making concessions. The Iranian spokesman is factually correct, but not telling the whole story.

Diplomatically, Vance claiming the concession has already been made when it has not, makes the concession less likely.

Trump sent amateurs to handle extremely difficult negotiations, and he handicaps them with lies, insults, and unhinged vascillating rhetoric which includes threats that violate the MOU -- actually threatening the lives of the negotiators.

The whole world sees this. It's painful to think about the depth and breadth of harm to America's reputation, and how long it may take to earn respect and trust again.

Nasruddin

(1,313 posts)
25. On target
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:22 AM
Tuesday

We have to keep in mind all sides in this conflict are complete liars - not always in the same way or to the same ends.
Our side for example routinely lies to steer public opinion and reinforce the cult.
In addition the Boss lies to get himself out of sticky public embarrassments and probably to soothe himself. The man called Vance surely does the former. Then there’s the Boss’s confabulations.
We can only reason based on actions.

sboatcar

(925 posts)
27. They had to send amateurs, they fired most of the career diplomatic officials
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:43 AM
Tuesday

And then somehow they expect the cronies and low level folks that remain to be successful, particularly when the president tends to blow up the whole negotiation process is moving.

Martin Eden

(16,060 posts)
10. When it is more prudent to believe a spokesman for the Iranian regime...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:42 AM
Tuesday

... than the Vice President speaking on behalf of the President of the United States, it is time to change the regime here at home.

PatSeg

(54,074 posts)
13. "It appears our Government is lying to us about....."
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:48 AM
Tuesday

Fill in the blank. Might be easier to just list what our government HASN'T been lying to us about.

Torchlight

(7,239 posts)
16. As there's no real or measurable benefit otherwise, I'll presume
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:55 AM
Tuesday

Tehran's assertion accurate, and just one more tall tale from Mr. trump's habit of saying anything except the truth.

SergeStorms

(21,067 posts)
17. NO!
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 09:57 AM
Tuesday

The Trump administration lied to us? 😭

Say it's not so, please!

What's the point of my life going on anymore?

Ocelot II

(131,832 posts)
26. It's not a good situation when reports from both sides are unreliable.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:27 AM
Tuesday

I don't trust Iran and I don't trust Trump's minions even more.

snot

(11,934 posts)
31. Really weird: public radio this morning
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 01:28 PM
Tuesday

quoted Vance's claims about the agreement at great length, with little or no mention of Iran's disagreement on various important points.


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