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Chasstev365

(8,359 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 07:55 PM Jun 18

If Jon Ossoff can beat MAGA Loon Mike Collins in Georgia in November:

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I think he could be our Barack Obama of 2028, but more like FDR in policy.

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Ilsa

(64,757 posts)
1. It's Mike Collins, but I think Jon can beat him.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 08:04 PM
Jun 18

I think Collins is known to be a crook of some variety.

Callie1979

(1,495 posts)
2. Please, let's get him past the Nov election FIRST.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 08:06 PM
Jun 18

It CAN be done but it's not going to be easy. I live in GA & they're going all out against him.
BUT Warnock won in the last off cycle election, so it can be done. But Collins isnt as much of a doofus as Walker was.

FascismIsDeath

(313 posts)
4. Obama wasn't unlike FDR in policy. FDR (and LBJ) had an insane amount of legislative backing.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 09:47 PM
Jun 18

They even had Republicans on board for a lot of stuff.

We are NEVER getting another FDR or LBJ until you have those kinds of majorities and bipartisan support. Why do people keep ignoring the historical facts that allowed FDR and LBJ to pass the kinds of big things they passed?

I'm really getting tired of people on our side having issues with basic math.

Chasstev365

(8,359 posts)
5. And do you think another moderate, cautious Democrat is what we need after Trump?
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 10:08 PM
Jun 18

Maybe you should read this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/06/democratic-base-anger-midterms/687586/?gift=YW_YQ5j6Df8lcLf7ZjuAE_irwopz7lVDXWY46VR_Cf0

Also, would FDR have pushed for Roosevelt Care, where people have to pay for their health care? Maybe you've never heard of FDR's 1944 push for a Second Bill of Rights, including free, universal healthcare for all Americans.

FascismIsDeath

(313 posts)
6. Good job ducking my point and hiding behind a bunch of meaningless factoids that we all know about.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 11:00 PM
Jun 18

FDR would've have gotten anymore done than Obama if he had Obama's house and senate. PERIOD. This isn't subject to an opinion. Get back to me when you learn how to count.

Chasstev365

(8,359 posts)
7. Why are you being so belligerent? Disagree with me all you want, but stop insulting me.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 11:07 PM
Jun 18

I understand President Obama didn't have a huge democratic majority to work with in Congress, but we need to push harder for the ideals of the Democratic Party.

Bernie and AOC are called radical left today, but their views were mainstream from the 1930's to the 1960's. That's all I'm saying.

FascismIsDeath

(313 posts)
8. If stating a simple fact is an insult, that isn't my problem. But I see the same shit happening all over again with....
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 12:09 PM
Jun 19

...the next Dem President. They get elected and get maybe a month to start getting to work before the "we can't count votes" Left starts relentlessly riding whomever he or she may be. This was the worst part of the Obama years, that fringe sect being loud in their denial of the situation and dividing our side of the aisle while Republicans gleefully rode back into town after 2 years and slowly took away Obama's ability to even get another Supreme Court justice nominated.

I'm not going to sit quiet about it. I'm going to call it out when I hear it. Every. Single. Time.

"Why isn't President such and such calling for single payer NOW?"

Because we don't have the votes...

"Who cares? We need to be bold! We need to use to bully pulpit!" and other political mythological nonsense that means nothing in the real world.

When the next Democratic president governs with the Congress that America gives them, they will be pragmatic and get things done where they can. Its going to be even worse with the makeup of the Supreme Court as we already discovered during the Biden years. MOST of their time is going to be spent trying to clean the Trump stains off of everything.

And as far as the "ideals of the Democratic Party" go, that is also, mostly a myth. We have a vague agreement across the spectrum on some core issues and then very different ideas outside of that. You aren't going to get AOC type reps elected in midwestern purple districts. You aren't going to get Joe Manchin elected in Brooklyn (for the best, but I digress). Its a big tent party because thats the only way it exists in this climate.

Thats why there will be compromise which will be attacked as "triangulation". Thats why there will be incrementalism attacked as "mediocrity". We have a lot of people in this party that can't accept the fact that there are more districts that will elect candidates with a center left approach than there are districts that will elect Bernie Sanders acolytes (no disrespect to Bernie, I love Bernie, but he has that same problem in refusing to accept the truth in that regard).

The chances of seeing another FDR type situation or JFK to LBJ type situation in our lifetime is very slim. It would take some sort of massive national tragedy to reverse where the math is going and even that might not work with the way redistricting and gerrymandering is being used to basically create permanent red and blue majorities from respective states. That will take generations to unwind. Get use to it. You aren't getting another FDR. The best we could hope for is another Obama and we need at least 4-5 consecutive terms of that incremental approach to actually get things where we want. It has to happen gradually.

BannonsLiver

(21,029 posts)
9. Careful. There are a lot of folks who only have enough bandwidth to talk about one thing at a time.
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:46 PM
Jun 19

And they are very very crabby about that limitation, too. 😉

MineralMan

(152,049 posts)
10. Ossoff is going to have to answer why he voted
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:05 PM
Jun 19

for the Laken Riley Act. That's not going to be all that easy to do, at least to the satisfaction of many Democrats. He may have thought he had to in Georgia, but the nation is not Georgia.

Ask him that question.

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