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choie

(7,026 posts)
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:20 PM 2 hrs ago

A grammatical observation and question

I've noticed - especially since GW Bush - people no longer call things by their full name. For example calling nuclear power or arms just "nuclear" as in "Iran won't accept an agreement that includes nuclear." Other examples: calling a domestic violence incident "a domestic". or saying "I have bipolar" instead of bipolar disorder. What gives?

And before anybody says it, I know I'm being a stickler and intolerant.

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A grammatical observation and question (Original Post) choie 2 hrs ago OP
Twitter brain... SheltieLover 2 hrs ago #1
Hmm I remember Bush always said just "nuclear" choie 2 hrs ago #3
120 char communications destroy neural networks SheltieLover 2 hrs ago #5
Curiously, Jimmy Carter, a U.S. Navy nuclear engineer pronounced it the same way Brother Buzz 2 hrs ago #6
Another one The Blue Flower 2 hrs ago #2
YES!!! choie 2 hrs ago #4
And "Oval" instead of "Oval Office." wnylib 50 min ago #15
Cyber works really well as a noun LearnedHand 23 min ago #20
People no longer canetoad 2 hrs ago #7
Lord, that's right! choie 2 hrs ago #8
Oh yeah. Drives me mad. No one donates. Gave and given are vanishing Easterncedar 50 min ago #14
Like you said, it's grammar. I've had some experiance in the South and noticed a long time ago that folks shortened..... FadedMullet 2 hrs ago #9
Yep, that's one! Easterncedar 1 hr ago #13
Agree With You :: I Do (!) wyn borkins 1 hr ago #10
Thanks wyn! choie 1 hr ago #11
Yes, it seems to be an accelerating trend Easterncedar 1 hr ago #12
You want to go with? radical noodle 47 min ago #16
I noticed that while watching the Darral Brooks trial. I thought it was a Wisconsin LoisB 40 min ago #18
I agree. You are not being intolerant. It seems as if everything is shorthand LoisB 42 min ago #17
Language is very fluid and fast moving LearnedHand 30 min ago #19
Oh dear - language changes. How painful. nt GenThePerservering 21 min ago #21

choie

(7,026 posts)
3. Hmm I remember Bush always said just "nuclear"
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:25 PM
2 hrs ago

Well, he actually said "nucular" But I get what your saying!

LearnedHand

(5,622 posts)
20. Cyber works really well as a noun
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:46 PM
23 min ago

When you have departments named “Cybersecurity” its really easy to shorten it to cyber and use it as a noun. It’s also useful and efficient.

canetoad

(21,060 posts)
7. People no longer
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:44 PM
2 hrs ago

Give presents, they GIFT items. And there's no more criticising - it's up-market CRITIQUES these days.

Easterncedar

(6,491 posts)
14. Oh yeah. Drives me mad. No one donates. Gave and given are vanishing
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:19 PM
50 min ago

Is it that irregular verbs confuse people?

I have come to accept that people can't keep affect and effect straight, so no one is affected, we are impacted instead, which always sounds quite uncomfortable to me.

We have forever lost the distinction between jealous and envious, and, heaven help us, the difference between disinterested and uninterested, which seems like a sad loss of a valuable concept. As they say, you better hope you get a disinterested judge in your trial, not an uninterested one.

FadedMullet

(1,023 posts)
9. Like you said, it's grammar. I've had some experiance in the South and noticed a long time ago that folks shortened.....
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:09 PM
2 hrs ago

.......phrases by saying things like "The lawn needs mowed" instead of "The lawn needs to be mowed".

wyn borkins

(1,385 posts)
10. Agree With You :: I Do (!)
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:18 PM
1 hr ago

Also, you "might" be a stickler (?)

But you are definitely not intolerant (!)

Easterncedar

(6,491 posts)
12. Yes, it seems to be an accelerating trend
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:36 PM
1 hr ago

Like "give me the deets" (details). "No prob." Sometimes I get annoyed, but then I recall how long we have called temporary workers temps (even coining the verb temping), automobiles autos then cars, telephones phones, televisions teevees, doctors docs and so on. Is it laziness or efficiency?

Maybe we should have a thread asking for folks' least favorite examples of linguistic shorthand

LoisB

(13,521 posts)
18. I noticed that while watching the Darral Brooks trial. I thought it was a Wisconsin
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:29 PM
40 min ago

"thing".

LoisB

(13,521 posts)
17. I agree. You are not being intolerant. It seems as if everything is shorthand
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:27 PM
42 min ago

these days.

LearnedHand

(5,622 posts)
19. Language is very fluid and fast moving
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:39 PM
30 min ago

I love how frequently language pokes us in the eye by not being rigid. Maybe a different way to look at this is to celebrate the creativity of ever changing language.

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