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applegrove

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But I thought "anti-semitism is where the 'far-left' and far-right meet"? AloeVera Thursday #1
Far right extremists are obviously more violent. applegrove Thursday #3
The author isn't presenting the data accurately EdmondDantes_ Thursday #7
Interesting BlueWaveNeverEnd Thursday #2
I'm sure the usual suspects JBTaurus83 Thursday #4
This is just obviously not true on its face Sympthsical Thursday #5
What ADL did not include: applegrove Thursday #6
And I am not including that in this consideration Sympthsical Thursday #8
Well I'll delete it. applegrove Thursday #10
But they do include things where the person doing the harassment/violence uses words like Jew EdmondDantes_ Thursday #9

AloeVera

(4,421 posts)
1. But I thought "anti-semitism is where the 'far-left' and far-right meet"?
Thu May 21, 2026, 07:41 PM
Thursday

Of course that was always utter bollocks and now we have the receipts.

applegrove

(133,178 posts)
3. Far right extremists are obviously more violent.
Thu May 21, 2026, 07:59 PM
Thursday

EdmondDantes_

(2,104 posts)
7. The author isn't presenting the data accurately
Thu May 21, 2026, 08:57 PM
Thursday

Given the demographics of college students, particularly those doing the protest encampments, pretending that none of the campus antisemitism is from leftists doesn't pass the laugh test. We know many of the campus protestors identified as eco-socialists, anti racist, anti colonialism. Those are left wing positions.

Then there's that when I use the heat map he links to, it doesn't match what he says and shows. When I filter to just Left Wing and Islamist, there's 205 incidents over the dataset. And the total number isn't 40,180, if I select all types, it's 31,988, but if I clear all filters of ideology type (right wing 3 varieties, left wing, Islamic, unknown, Other), the total jumps to 67,810 over 2002-2025. So something with the dataset is wonky. They've also added some from 2026 but I left that out to keep my comparison the same. So there's 27,700 incidents over the data set he isn't including that aren't categorized.

Also it's not accurate that he lumps Other and Unknown into right wing given there are categories for those.

If I look at just 2025 data, the report when the 7 ideology types, I get 705 incidents but if I deselect all types, there's the 6,542 the report mentions.

The FAQ isn't helpful to explain the missing information, so my guess (and it's just a guess) is that the ideology type is only applied if someone is arrested or interacts with the police. Looking at the list view for example an anonymous bomb threat can't really be categorized if no one is charged. I'm not sure why that wouldn't go under Unknown or Other, but it's not.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(15,045 posts)
2. Interesting
Thu May 21, 2026, 07:45 PM
Thursday

JBTaurus83

(1,694 posts)
4. I'm sure the usual suspects
Thu May 21, 2026, 08:30 PM
Thursday

Won’t be rushing to comment on this. Reading this site, sometimes I’d think left leaning voters have all become neo-Nazis or something.

Sympthsical

(11,128 posts)
5. This is just obviously not true on its face
Thu May 21, 2026, 08:39 PM
Thursday

Why promote something that is so verifiably untrue? Does Rashid think everyone just hallucinated all the video footage of anti-Jewish attacks and harassment over the past few years?

I can name three recent high profile antisemitic attacks that came from the free Gaza crowd off the top of my head. Hell, the ADL article Qasim is referencing gives you four right off the bat.

I can't speak to what's going on with the ADL's website or data layout. But Rashid knows full well there are more than three. So why write that article? It's weird people try very hard to minimize obvious things. There's gaslighting and then there's virulent propaganda.

If you're trying to gaslight people about bigoted behavior, you're not on the side of angels. Sorry.

applegrove

(133,178 posts)
6. What ADL did not include:
Thu May 21, 2026, 08:57 PM
Thursday

Israel and Zionism: ADL is careful to not conflate general criticism of Israel or anti-Israel activism with antisemitism. Legitimate political protest, support for Palestinian rights or expressions of opposition to Israeli policies are not included in the Audit.

Sympthsical

(11,128 posts)
8. And I am not including that in this consideration
Thu May 21, 2026, 09:07 PM
Thursday

I'm talking about violence. Laying hands on people. Harassing people on the street or on campus. Vandalizing places of worship and businesses.

Not criticism of Israel.

And to stand there and go, "100% on the Right. Only three ever from the radical Left" is so breathtakingly untrue, I absolutely side-eye the motive.

As I said, it's a weird position to take and disseminate around. If this were any other ethnic group, people would be setting things on fire in protest at how ridiculous the assertion is.

But it's Jews. So it gets . . . shared around approvingly?

But we mustn't read into that. Not one bit. Perish the thought that people denying bigotry might - just maybe - have some issues of their own with that bigotry.

Well, I am 100% reading into that. It's daylight. I can see people. I consider dissemination of this stuff motivated by nefarious intent. Full stop.

applegrove

(133,178 posts)
10. Well I'll delete it.
Thu May 21, 2026, 09:21 PM
Thursday

EdmondDantes_

(2,104 posts)
9. But they do include things where the person doing the harassment/violence uses words like Jew
Thu May 21, 2026, 09:09 PM
Thursday

Much of that won't be categorized but Rashid is lumping that under right wing by virtue of not being left wing or Islamic. But we can infer from context that an anti-Israel protest at a synagogue that has people yelling "Jewish pricks" and Jews are rapists and racists, probably aren't right wing people. Likewise most campus protests would logically be primarily made up of liberal students, and while the protest as a whole wouldn't be on the list, someone saying Jewish whatever and hitting or whatever would be. The data in the heat map doesn't match what Rashid says it does.

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