Nothing is more boring than hearing you claim to be an "outsider" and you want to "restore fiscal sanity" when reality is the total opposite. For the good of the country, just go away. Far, far away.

The products were good. The first time I ever heard the word "biodegradable" was someone describing their soap in 1969 or 70. Their furniture polish was non-flammable. If you stuck a match to Pledge back then, It ignited like Napalm. Their stuff snuffed out the flame.

Good products but ALWAYS a shady sales structure that seemed marginally legal, and it was difficult to buy from them without pressure to "join the sales team and save!" Then I tried to buy from them again in the early 1980's( I really liked their laundry soap because it was "green.&quot , and the person I was trying to order from started the pressure to join in the sales team (an Orthopedic Surgeon I worked with no less). He was recruiting from the nursing staff at a hospital where I worked as well as from his patient list!
The pitch was we didn't have to sell to others unless we wanted to ("become very wealthy&quot . The scheme was that we would just buy all of their products for our own households, everything from laundry to toothpaste at very high prices. But everything we bought for ourselves was tax deductible as a business expense. And yes, it was still a pyramid where the Doc earned money for everything we bought even for ourselves.

Several people went for it, but I didn't. It was awkward at work for quite a while with him. We were never chummy again.

Then there’s the Erik Prince branch.

these traitors to humanity.

She beat him like a drum. Granholm backs down from no one. She went after him in their debate. And the look on his face was like, no one has ever challenged me before.

Granholm would have been a great Presidential candidate. But she was born in Canada.