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GoneOffShore

(18,030 posts)
Mon May 4, 2026, 04:54 AM 19 hrs ago

Spirit Airlines is not just a canary in a coal mine. It's part of a pile of dead birds.

This from a Facebook friend, who has allowed it to be shared in full.
If you're on there, seek out Eric Gubelman, also Jim Wright on Threads aka Stone Kettle.

The Soviet Union didn’t collapse because it ran out of tanks. It collapsed because it couldn’t keep bread cheap.
There’s an old Soviet joke: They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work—but the bread must always be there. It wasn’t clever so much as true. You could fake production quotas, falsify reports, misallocate entire sectors of the economy—but you could not fake the one thing people touched every day. When bread became scarce or expensive, the system stopped being theoretical. It became real, and people stopped believing it.
There’s always a number a system cannot afford to let move. For the Soviets, it was bread. You could botch five-year plans, mismanage industry, lie about harvests—but if bread slipped, the entire fiction came under pressure.
In the United States, that number isn’t bread. It’s fuel—not just gasoline at the pump, but diesel, jet fuel, the entire invisible layer that moves everything else. When that number spikes, the system stops performing and starts revealing.
Today, the revelation came in the form of Spirit Airlines. Not a beloved institution, not a national champion—just a budget airline built on thin margins, tight timing, and a model that works only as long as the inputs behave. Which is exactly the point. Fragile systems don’t break first; fragile components do.
Spirit didn’t collapse because of one bad quarter or one bad executive decision. It collapsed because a business designed to operate at the edge met a shock it could not absorb. And that shock wasn’t random. Fuel prices don’t double because of mood swings. They double because something in the world breaks.
We’ve seen the pattern before. In 2022, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine sent energy markets into panic. Prices surged—not because a president controls oil, but because war rewrites supply, risk, and expectation all at once. That’s the baseline reality: presidents don’t set prices. But they shape the conditions under which shocks happen, and how large they are when they arrive.
The confrontation with Iran didn’t emerge from nowhere. It followed the dismantling of the Iran nuclear deal—an imperfect but functioning framework that constrained escalation. That structure was abandoned and replaced with pressure, then improvisation, and eventually force. Once you remove structure, the only tool left is escalation. And escalation has a cost—not in rhetoric, but in markets, in shipping lanes, in insurance, in fuel.
That’s how a geopolitical decision moves. Not in a straight line, but through a chain: instability to risk, risk to price, price to exposure. By the time it reaches something like Spirit Airlines, it doesn’t look like foreign policy anymore. It looks like a business failure. But it’s the system telling the truth about itself.
Ultra-low-cost carriers live on the edge by design. They expand access and suppress prices, but they do it without cushion. When fuel doubles, they don’t bend; they go first. You can call that market discipline. You can call it bad luck. But you can’t call it disconnected.
Presidents don’t control the price of oil. But they are not spectators to the conditions that send it soaring. When stability is treated as optional—when alliances are discarded without replacement, when strategy gives way to impulse—the next shock is more likely, and more violent when it comes.
You don’t feel that all at once. You feel it at the margins. A budget airline disappears. A route vanishes. A price ticks upward. The system becomes a little less forgiving.
And then, gradually and without announcement, the margin is where you live.
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Spirit Airlines is not just a canary in a coal mine. It's part of a pile of dead birds. (Original Post) GoneOffShore 19 hrs ago OP
That is genius. That one's a keeper. raccoon 19 hrs ago #1
Just reading a book... Roy Rolling 18 hrs ago #2
"Shattering the myth is what opens the door to change." OldBaldy1701E 16 hrs ago #9
The free hand of the market perdita9 18 hrs ago #3
Message auto-removed Name removed 17 hrs ago #4
This has little to do with free markets WSHazel 17 hrs ago #6
It is so hot here in the global south jfz9580m 17 hrs ago #5
MAGA are such job creators. They made fuel prices great again. IronLionZion 17 hrs ago #7
Oil an gas subsidies equal painting the leaves on the trees & the grass green Zelda_Orchid 16 hrs ago #8
We Were Warned About This Over Fifty Years Ago DAngelo136 12 hrs ago #10
People keep comparing this spike to 2022 Johnny2X2X 12 hrs ago #11

Roy Rolling

(7,681 posts)
2. Just reading a book...
Mon May 4, 2026, 06:20 AM
18 hrs ago

“Blueprint for Revolution” about recent revolutions worldwide. Written by a guy from the former Yugoslavia whose life was suddenly upended by political corruption and subsequent collapse.

One thing it mentions is the importance of single items citizens value that are ignored by out-of-touch, “let them eat cake” politicians.

Things like bread in the former USSR, and now diesel fuel in the USA. It exposes the impotence of a government whose reputation and branding is specifically constructed to be macho warriors. Like Hogbreadth and OranJello.

Shattering the myth is what opens the door to change.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,409 posts)
9. "Shattering the myth is what opens the door to change."
Mon May 4, 2026, 07:56 AM
16 hrs ago

Yes, but it means little if the group does not act on it.

perdita9

(1,359 posts)
3. The free hand of the market
Mon May 4, 2026, 06:38 AM
18 hrs ago

This used to be a Republican talking point. They couldn't do anything about X because of the " free hand of the market" economic theory. They used it to absolve their failures for making life affordable.

I notice they stopped using it a while ago, probably because it stopped working and moved over to blaming immigrants, trans people and democrats for all of their problems.

Distraction works until it doesn't.

Response to perdita9 (Reply #3)

WSHazel

(797 posts)
6. This has little to do with free markets
Mon May 4, 2026, 07:24 AM
17 hrs ago

The Trump Administration’s terrible policies are destroying industries. Spirit is not going to be the last company to be destroyed by Trump if this war is not ended soon.

jfz9580m

(17,683 posts)
5. It is so hot here in the global south
Mon May 4, 2026, 06:53 AM
17 hrs ago

Last edited Mon May 4, 2026, 07:50 AM - Edit history (3)

I feel the heat like a physical thing.
This is a must read:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/staring-at-the-pointing-hand

It is terrifying to me as someone living in a hotspot in the global south where the obscenity of actual climate change and the fallout of perverse stuff like “data as oil” (fueling unsafe garbage tech) are clearer daily and yet things get worse every single day.

The movie “Don’t look up” correctly skewered our fatuous media, solipsistic billionaires and populace. Today saying something like “ ask not what your country can do for you..” seems inconceivable as the leadership, with the exception of necessary climate hawks like Sen Sheldon Whitehouse appears to have tacitly dropped the issue.
My worry is that more cheap stuff strip mining more and more will be the solution.

Troy Farah gets it as well:

https://www.salon.com/2025/12/31/against-trumps-climate-sabotage-a-different-future-is-still-possible/

Facebook is a company that parasitically used data as oil as did Google. They were carrying out a quiet coup against civilian academia using RetractionWatch, Elizabeth Bik, Ioannidis, Fanelli, Kent Anderson etc constantly fear mongering about publically funded science where the rates of misconduct are low. Where they are high it is people who work at the top and are in bed with Epstein, Google etc or do fluffy bs where I cannot tell if it is misconduct or not since it is such fluffy junk anyway:
Facebook emotion drivel, MIT Media Lab, Aaron Elkins etc and lie detectors, Bschool drivel, Ariely, Gino, Haidt, Pinker, Freakonomics.

The general public does not seem to always separate hard science from quality soft science versus the stuff that sells books and TED tech talks.
Quality soft science tends to be done by people who are poorer and are genuinely interested in such things. DU has people like that.
This is likely to be quality soft science. I trust Current Affairs as a resource, but one can’t be sure these days:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/notes-of-an-economist-on-food-stamps
Still it is unlikely to be like “power poses” and that type of stuff. Otoh, I trust Nathan Robinson but I have no idea who that author is and as with many things a cursory glance was all I had time for before returning to my unpaid profession of brooding.

The tech bros don’t get the value of the work done by honest therapists and shrinks where caring is part of the profession.
The two shrinks and one therapist I met in the US clearly cared about their patients.

A place like Stanford Psychiatry otoh has people who want to make money, but are either too lazy or too incompetent to work in neurosurgery or some area of medicine where you cannot as easily get away with errors.
Such people imo are at a disadvantage in a real sense in being actually atomized.
Some of us are asocial or loners by choice. That is not atomization. The Margaret Thatcher thing is really not giving a shit and as long as people are polite about it, your “bread” will keep flowing in. Less so when “data as oil” metaphorically leads to change in humans as the earth reacts to fossil fuel.

Humans unlike earth respond faster and target their attacks better.
I have survived hell and the planet may or may not. But no one will survive without a living planet and factory farming, ventilation shutdown etc are our own death knell.

I am sick of bullshit jobs destroying my life:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2022/09/why-you-hate-your-job


Most of this economy is bullshit. Bullshit like Facebook, Google, OpenAi. They don’t have products anyone wants or needs. Even Tyler Durden would get that.
I didn’t hate my job. I loved it. I was bad at it.

The postdoc to pi transition in hard science is damn near impossible. In a sane world Yan Lecun wouldn’t work for Zuckerberg, he would work for something Max Planck which is by now probably the only place (minus spooks) to handle this type of data and Zuckerberg would be scammer who got caught and sent to prison.

These are all bullshit jobs. General intelligence isn’t groveling to mediocre tech people who take everything hostage nor is it joining a mob or reinventing oneself as an influencer.
It is pushing for criminal liability at this dire a time for fossil fuel and data as oil companies.

Earth cannot target climate change as usefully as humans can target the change in human behavior data as oil ultimately results in. Lina Khan should push for criminal liability next time especially as exploiting narcotics laws and immigration status carelessly is unprincipled and unsustainable.

This population explosion everywhere (worst of all in the global south - please don’t send your edtech etc guys here so people like me can be exploited in two countries. Please keep them over there) is a menace:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/there-are-many-threats-to-humanity.-a-low-birth-rate-isnt-one-of-them

https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/03/20/nandita-bajaj-confronting-patriarchy-pronatalism-and-population-denial/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room!

Peter Kalmus and Chris Ketcham get it. Sen Whitehouse gets it. The tech bros do not and nor does their third rate a”i”:

https://peterkalmus.net/

https://www.christopherketcham.com/

The intelligence is artificial not to mention imaginary. The stupidity is real. That ass Trump likes to say “lock her up” a lot. That is bs but criminal liability for guys like Andreessen that cannot be gamed by incompetent technocrats may be the only solution.
What an utter idiot:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/18/tomorrows-advance-man

Adam Becker gets it. Andreessen is also one of my least favorite tech mediocrities:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-mad-religion-of-technological-salvation/

Lots of fun reading material on both types of climate change 👆. 👇
Yan Lecun and that economist are too polite:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/godfathers-of-ai-are-fighting-over-ai-wiping-away-millions-of-jobs-yann-lecun-says-dont-listen-to-geoffery-hinton-as-ai-scientists-are-brilliant-be-they-are-/articleshow/130680712.cms

Prof Lecun is pretty much the only heavyweight in ai I pay attention to as saying anything remotely honest and not solely intended to make critics parrot silly arguments so the tech bros can call straightforward people “suckers” and gullible rather than merely not convoluted and perverse. Not everyone is a vicious curmudgeon in agreeable drag. Some people are nice not simplistic. Dostoevsky got it.

I am not. I was roleplaying nice and it is too much work and not worth it.

My post got truncated. These were always cannibalistic professions. Prof Lecun himself lost his job to that ass Alexandr Wang. I agreed with Prof Lecun. I feel far worse about using WhatsApp now and hope he still has some tied with the company as he is the only researcher I would trust at Meta:

https://www.inc.com/leila-sheridan/zuckerbergs-former-top-ai-researcher-goes-scorched-earth-on-meta-in-a-new-interview/91285233

I was an early casualty to this fraudulent bloodbath and it was not machines but humans behind them who will themselves be more embattled. It is cannibalistic. An artificial we with no returns on an investment one never made:

What did you think about Yann LeCun's post?

Daron Acemoglu: It's very nice of him, and he's obviously right that economists have a lot to say about this.

People at the front lines of developing these models have superior knowledge. On the other hand, they also have what economists or social psychologists would call "motivated reasoning." They tend to think and want to think that their models are very capable. They also have incentives for raising money to emphasize the coming attractions.

I'm convinced that Dario actually believes what he says. But, does he believe that because that's also good for the race that he's locked into with OpenAI or raising capital for his company? That's what motivated reasoning gets you.

DAngelo136

(344 posts)
10. We Were Warned About This Over Fifty Years Ago
Mon May 4, 2026, 11:43 AM
12 hrs ago

From the movie: "Three Days of The Condor"



The exchange between Turner (Robert Redford) and Higgins (Cliff Robertson) is telling not only because of the positions of the characters but also the motives and insight into the American character. In the light of todays events, can you say Higgins was wrong?

Johnny2X2X

(24,373 posts)
11. People keep comparing this spike to 2022
Mon May 4, 2026, 11:50 AM
12 hrs ago

But there's one massive difference, the 2022 spike was because of Russia invading Ukraine, this spike is because of our own actions, because of the US attack on Iran. We brought this on ourselves.

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