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https://open.substack.com/pub/cmarmitage/p/survey-says-voters-want-fight-researchChristopher Armitage writes some really good stuff about how states can protect citizens against this authoritarian federal government. This article digs into what people mean when the ask the party to do something. In one part, he highlights how even highly respected Dems can at the same time receive more unfavorable ratings in strength.
Other recent polling found the same thing in different words. The Harvard Youth Poll asked young voters for one word to describe Democrats. Fifty-eight percent chose a negative one. The most common, generated without prompting, was weak. The Strength in Numbers/Verasight survey asked Democratic voters in their own words what their party did recently that upset them. The largest category of response, thirty percent, said the party was too weak, too cautious, or not fighting hard enough.
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Voters read strength when a politician names the opponent out loud, takes an aggressive posture rather than a conciliatory one, uses language that signals willingness to use power to its fullest extent. Voters read strength when a politician refuses to back down publicly when backing down would be easier, violates norms of decorum when the situation calls for it, doesnt mince words, doesnt ask the public to wait for the next election, and demonstrates capacity for aggression on behalf of voters against the people harming them.
Voters read weakness when a politician retreats into process language, appeals to norms and institutions as the response to norm violations, hedges visibly, announces fights and then does not fight them, treats the opposition as good-faith partners while voters perceive them as adversaries, and prioritizes decorum over outcome.
canetoad
(20,923 posts)I really liked Eric Swalwell until I didn't.
MustLoveBeagles
(17,086 posts)Also liked Anthony Weiner because he was also fighter. Both turned out to be disappointments..
canetoad
(20,923 posts)About that pervert.
FHRRK1
(86 posts)1. Swalwell had the Republican haircut, never trust a dude with a Republican haircut
2. There are some fighters - Pritzker, Newsom, and AOC. I am shocked at some of the criticism I see here, specifically in regards to AOC.
Edit to add: it is also why Democrats need to crush certain Dems. Look at what the Repubs do, get out of line and they are slammed by their own. I don't suggest the tRump level, but damn Manchin, Sinema, and now Fetterman. Even here we have the defenders stating they are better than the alternative, they vote with Dems 90% of the time. FFS, it doesn't matter if they align on procedural and Post Office namings if they stop progress on major bills.
Fetterman's worthless ass should be kicked to the curb. GET THE FUCK OUT! Go join the Republicans, you have zero committee assignments, zero funding. FUCK right the hell OFF. But hey, the appeasement route has worked so damn well for the last 40 years.
eppur_se_muova
(42,322 posts)What the Right equates with "strength" is egotism, cruelty and recklessness. That kind of "strength" creates a lot of noise, a lot of change, and a lot of chaos, but in the end, only the most selfish benefit.
Skittles
(172,477 posts)ABSOLUTELY
watching the entire GOP line up to suck off Trump has gotten on everyone's nerves
FIGHT FOR AMERICA
summer_in_TX
(4,241 posts)More from Christopher Armitage on "Survey Says Voters Want Fight. Research Shows Exactly What Voters Interpret as "Strong" and "Weak""
summer_in_TX
(4,241 posts)Good post, LearnedHand.
Bluetus
(3,016 posts)That sounds like sour grapes. You can just hear party insiders dismissing those voters with "Look how stupid they are. They can't tell the difference between parties. You can't possibly hate both."
This is the kind of attitude that will just keep us from connecting with voters. OK, obviously there are differences between the parties, at least in terms of rhetoric and intentions. But for many voters, they look and what they see is that our health care continues at the highest in the world with either party in charge. The national debt keeps going up with either party in charge. We keep losing jobs overseas with both parties in charge. We keep ending up in wars. We keep losing our privacy. The oil companies keep ripping us off. And the richest corporations and individuals just keep getting richer under both parties.
We can certainly make the argument that we have better intentions than the Republicans do. But for many people, they ignore the rhetoric and judge that the results work out about the same. And in that sense, they aren't haters. They simply think they are screwed either way and intentions just don't matter to them.
We will be more successful if we stop blaming voters for not being able to tell that we are trying, and concentrate on getting into position where we really can make major changes to how our society works. That what all these voters are begging for.
I think the Affordability Agenda put out this week is an excellent step in the right direction because it says SPECIFIC things that Democrats will do. But the problem is that this is only the progressive caucus. Half the party won't join us unless we can either replace them of make them understand the whole party is doomed if we can't bother to get off our asses and fight.