"Pro-Palestine activists say"

But Israel "insists."

Also, the headline of the OP is not the headline of the article.

I think there are a lot of people... like me... who are NOT against "Israel", per se. We ARE as against Bibi N. every bit as much (and even moreso) than trump. They are two peas in a pod of evil. There have been too many people in both Israel and in Palestine who have worked together to try to bring peace, or at least build bridges. Systematic genocide is decided usually by a single individual... not a people. Bibi stands alone in this, or at least side by side with trump and putin. The situation IS a hard one. When you kick a people off their land and give it to others, there's always going to be a scar waiting for the next rupture. This is true on both sides. Gods know, Hezbollah is no example of good governance OR good global citizenship. There are those in that group who are just as bloodthirsty as Bibi. But that's what makes the situation so heart rending. If the third party agitators could be put out of commission (like trump, putin) and a more moderate Israeli take Bibi's place, maybe something good could happen. Most of us here at DU are sickened by the loss of life on all sides, as well as in Iran, Ukraine, and here in our own country. I'm old enough I doubt I'll ever see any forward motion on the issues. And I regret that for all the people of the region... and around the world.

IMHO.

Its the old conflation game of holding all of Israel collectively responsible for the government's actions, then fashioning that canard into a weapon, turning it on its head to then try and silence legit critics of what Bibi and his RW power structures and support base do.

The subject line is NOT.

FIX IT!

though they aren't quite an empire that we can agree on.

You might want to review the TOS at the bottom of the main DU pages to avoid an issue that would be problematic for you.

but point taken.

or to anyone seizing civilian boats in international waters.

it was clear that I had no argument with the article, but rather the subject line that the poster created, which has now been changed before the edit time.

If you bothered to read anything I have ever posted on the issue, you know damned well that I am no supporter/defender/promoter of Israeli policies, Netanyahu, or GENOCIDE! Did making statements so disingenuous, uninformed as to the issue and accusatory toward me make you feel better?

You objected to what Israel was called - was "evil empire", now "evil asswipes". So your call for civility was about civility to Israel. It seems necessary to point out to you that there's nothing like that in the DU TOS. DUers are also free to call the USA an "evil empire", and many would see that as a justified term, under Trump. Since Israel has a colony in the West Bank, and is currently bombing southern Lebanon and driving out its inhabitants, I think Israel under Netanyahu can also be termed an "evil empire".

Look up civility (as well as the divisiveness rule in the TOS of DU) please, muriel since you clearly don't know what it means or at least not toward me who has zero disagreement with you on Israel's policies. But you want to make a nasty and unwarranted argument so great for you, you succeeded. This isn't the first time either, so kindly put me on ignore if you only want to direct nasty accusations toward me. That we don't even disagree on the issues is what is so damned ludicrous. But, you be YOU.

That would really limit what we could say on here. And if you're going to say that having a strong, though easily arguable, opinion is "divisive" and thus shouldn't appear on DU, then again that shut downs huge swathes of DU.

I can't understand what you're saying. I really do think you need the explanation of the DU civility and divisiveness rules. And I don't think it's "nasty".

Go attack someone else. I have seen your act too many times. It isn't cute. It isn't informed. It isn't even clever nor entertaining.

He definitely has them bombed.

Device check.

AND while I am sure YOU would never do the same for anyone, I actually corresponded with the OP to try to clue them in so as to avoid a jury hide since they seemed like a newer Duer.

It's about Israel, and a specific action of that state. Israel is not "part of the Democratic coalition". The thread starter has not said anything about any person who could be said to be in the Democratic coalition.

Since you're quoting the rules, let's remember this bit: "Substantive disagreement on important issues is always welcome on this website".

Can ignore you and I will. So feel free to speak to yourself. None of us need your combative and rude behavior.

Tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of DU GD OPs have had altered and/or completely changed titles, often due to editorial intent, and/or to attract views, and/or to sometimes play WUM games, and/or to spark legit debate, etc etc etc.

All-capping:

so he wouldn't face a hide. So, kindly stop it. You don't know what transpired nor why.

And I have no problem when either are described as "evil." Because they are.

Slobby called Bibi and Israel his brave allies.
That is all

but no one would believe it

If you take away BiBi and the Setters it be like taking away Drump and the MAGAs.

fuck these fuckers

DURec

Is that what allows them to act with impunity?

Since 1948.

The nukes are there to ensure Arab/Muslim neighbours never attack in sufficient strength to be any real threat. They know they would be nuked immediately. Without mutual deterrence and "qualitative edge" military for only Israel, it can do whatever it wants. And the West ALWAYS has its back and runs diplomatic cover for its transgressions. I've concluded all the talk about support for a Palestinian state was always just talk, never serious. We were fooled.

Israel, or at least the political leadership was just pretending to consider a two party solution for decades - for US consumption.
In hindsight, the slight of hand seems obvious. I regret that I ever fell for the bullshit. My charitable inclinations are strained to say the
least.

It's a whole fine-tuned machinery, nay INDUSTRY, of lies and propaganda. All about narrative control. It worked because our mainstream media is complicit too.

....Mike Huckabee decree that this story of attacking innocent refugees on international water to be a non story - not worthy to be run on national broadcast by US media or to the general public in the US.

Happy talk stories are the only stories about Israel that should garner attention from the US media or be disseminated to the general public of America.

It must be agreed and understood that perception management is paramount when it comes to always putting Israel in the best of lights possible at all times. And the most unfavorable lights exclusively retained for the nasty subhuman Muslims and their anti-Semitic supporters is where any finger of blame should be pointed at all times.

All, every, and each Islamic are the true culprits against achieving world peace and the state of total bliss in the Middle East area.

Israel is just a lovey dovey bear always looking to hand out warm & cuddly bear hugs to everyone,... especially Arabs and Palestinians. Kiss,... Kiss,... Kiss + huggy bear hugs directly from the heart of Bibi Netanyahu and his army of hyper orthodox hyper extremist ppHasedic sect of Hebrew worshipers called Lev Tahor and the other extremist sect called Chabad/Lubavitch every hour of every day. Nothing short of absolute good intentions around the clock from these sects of Jewish settlers.



Hebrew sect called Lev Tahor:
One of the groups of extremist Hebrew worshipers so eager to take over and chase the Palestinians from the West Bank of Israel to take the land for their own via Jewish settlements.

A colorful group of a religious sect,...

The group was formed in the 1980s by Israeli leader Shlomo Helbrans.[9] Helbrans moved to the U.S. in the early 1990s, and settled in the Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York. While there, he served time in prison for kidnapping a 13-year-old Israeli boy who was sent to study with him in preparation for the boy's bar mitzvah.[20] Helbrans was released after serving two years, allegedly after receiving preferential treatment by New York governor George Pataki.[21] He then ran a yeshiva in Monsey, New York, and was eventually deported back to Israel. In January 2003, Helbrans moved to Canada.[22] Helbrans may have used false evidence to obtain refugee status, paying the kidnapped boy to testify on his behalf.[23]

Helbrans and his followers settled in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, but the members of the group with children left Quebec in November 2013 for Chatham-Kent amid allegations of child neglect. Child protection authorities sought to place the children in the care of Jewish foster families, and had been taking steps to prevent the 127 children from leaving Canada.[24] While in Canada, they acted as a charity, netting 6 million dollars in assets.[25]

On 5 March 2014, after the Ontario Superior Court of Justice effectuated a ruling of the Superior Court of Quebec as to the disposition of their children under Quebec child-protection law, nine members of the group, including six children, left for Trinidad and Tobago in an attempt to flee to Guatemala. They were returned to Canada days later.[26] The six children were taken into foster care, four of them were later returned to the group, while the hearing for the other two children was scheduled for 27 May 2014.[27] A majority of the group's members subsequently settled in the tourist town San Juan La Laguna. The group refused to send their children to local schools or participate in the community, according to a local resident. In August 2014, a group of elders of the indigenous Tz'utujil people issued an edict stating that the group was not welcome to stay, citing a need to protect the local culture, which is protected under the Constitution of Guatemala. A spokesman for the indigenous council said, "We act in self-defence and to respect our rights as indigenous people."[19][28]

Sourced from Wikipedia for more details see link below,...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor

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Another ultra Orthodox Hebrew sect of Hasedics named Chabad/Lubavitch. Many were encouaged by Israel to immigrate from Russia to steal and forcibly remove Palestinians from the West Bank. Arab housing was taken, bulldozed, and then Israeli settlements put in their place to be resettled by these new Israeli immigrant population strongly encouraged to leave Russia by Israel to come to forcibly steal at gunpoint the West Bank lands from Palestinians so Israeli settlements could be built on this illegally occupied land. Thus growing the lands of Israel by expelling the rightful owners by force and stealing these Palestinian land in the West Bank area are a major cause of on going strife in the Arab Middle East communities.

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Public statements made by a major leader of the Hasidic community of Chabad/Lubavitch.



Rabbi Schneerson involved himself in matters relating to the resolution of the Israeli-Arab conflict.[145] He maintained that as a matter of Jewish law,[146] any territorial concession on Israel's part would endanger the lives of all Jews in the Land of Israel and is therefore forbidden. He also insisted that even discussing the possibility of such concessions showed weakness, would encourage Arab attacks, and therefore endanger Jewish lives.[147]

Chabad Hasidic philosophy focuses on religious and spiritual concepts such as God, the soul, and the meaning of the Jewish commandments. Classical Judaic writings and Jewish mysticism, especially the Zohar and the Kabbalah of Rabbi Isaac Luria, are frequently cited in Chabad works. These texts are used both as sources of Chabad teachings and as material for Chabad authors to interpret. Many of these teachings discuss what is commonly referred to as bringing "heaven down to earth," i.e., making the Earth a dwelling place for God. Chabad philosophy is rooted in the teachings of Rabbis Yisroel ben Eliezer, (the Baal Shem Tov, founder of Hasidism) and Dovber ben Avraham, the "Maggid of Mezritch" (Rabbi Yisroel's successor).[citation needed]

Above sourced from Wikipedia, more at the link below,....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad

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By 2018, there were 611,000 Israeli settlers living in 250 settlements in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in contravention of international law.

The largest settlement, Modi'in Illit, houses more than 70,000 Israeli Jews in the occupied West Bank. The mega-settlement has its own mayor, as well as schools, shopping malls and medical centres.

Some settlements even have their own universities.

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On November 22, 1967, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 242. The resolution is used as a framework for implementing the two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

But since its adoption over 50 years ago, Israel has violated the resolution by entrenching its occupation of the Palestinian territories through illegal settlements.

600,000 - 750,000
Illegal settlers in the occupied Palestinian territories


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Illegal Settlements

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/50-years-illegal-settlements/index.html

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Since 1967, Israel has seized over 100,000 hectares (roughly 247,000 acres) of Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, primarily for illegal settlement expansion. Through declaration of "state land," military orders, and settler activity, Israel has taken over 26% of the West Bank for infrastructure.Key methods and areas of land acquisition include:West Bank "State Land" Declaration: Israel uses a legal interpretation of Ottoman-era law to declare unregistered, historically cultivated, or public Palestinian land as "state land," often for building settlements and illegal outposts.Separation Wall: The barrier, which extends over 700 kilometers through the West Bank, resulted in the seizure or isolation of significant amounts of private Palestinian land.East Jerusalem & Jordan Valley: Israel has expropriated thousands of acres in East Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley for settlement expansion and military use.Settler Violence & Evacuations: Settler activity, including violence, has led to the forced evacuation of several Palestinian communities.Military Seizure: Land is declared closed military zones, hindering Palestinian farming, construction, and development.

As of 2026, intensified land grabs in the West Bank are taking place, with policies aimed at encouraging Palestinians to leave and retroactively legalizing illegally occupied territory.


https://www.google.com/search?q=land+israel+took+from+palestinians&oq=land+israel+took+from+palestinians&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTILCAEQABgWGB4YxwMyDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyBwgEEAAY7wUyBwgFEAAY7wUyBwgGECEYjwLSAQkyNTg0MGowajeoAhOwAgHxBW0QqV6ETrqZ8QVtEKlehE66mQ&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#lfId=ChxjMe

see https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5faecb8fb23a85370058aed8/t/69f4b5a3eb2a1d5724aa3482/1777644963222/American+Attitudes+Israeli+Actions+Increasingly+Unpopular+.pdf

eg "Do you believe Israel has committed a genocide in Gaza?"
Dem Yes 57% No 17%
Rep Yes 26% No 50%