Trump really will bomb them into the stone age.

Decent evidence that supposed F-16 wreckage is a misfired missile.

No good evidence that any Blackhawk was shot down.

I don’t think people are used to us having actual losses.

And protested them Both.

You do know, I trust, that the US public has little tolerance for any loss of US life or equipment. Regardless how many lives or planes are left.

No

If casulties won't get a person breathless, I don't what will...

The helicopters were fired on during rescue. I’ve heard there was a F-16 downed. What a terrible day for our military.

Lots of different stories are out there. This is smelling a lot like Vietnam. Trap U.S. troops or
shoot down an American aircraft and fire on the helicopters that come to help.

The fact of the matter is that it is difficult to shoot down a modern jet - far more difficult than it was even in Gulf War 1. Over the past two weeks we've seen several close calls, and today they shot down an F-15E Strike Eagle and took out an A-10 Warthog, the latter being the easier to do of the two.

Sure, one could argue that it's just luck, but as it turns out, the Iranians are human beings, and human beings are above all learners: they are figuring out tactics and capabilities. You can shoot down jets in theory and you can have cracker jack technology, but until you actually have to do so in anger, it's all theoretical. But now they're developing praxis.

Trump thought the war would be over in a week. His problem now is that the worst is yet to come. They're not going to get WORSE at shooting down jets. They're going to get better at it. They're not going to get worse at shooting down SAR helicopters. They're going to get better at it. They're not going to get worse at launching missiles and targeting. They're going to get better at it.

That's where we are right now. They've figured out something about US tactics and their own capabilities that is allowing them to get close and now hit jets with better accuracy.

This is the first day of the rest of the war.

Hello....

hello...

helloooooo.....

Nothing to see here, move along.

Although I appreciate that the headlines should stick to facts ... on the other hand, it is getting more and more difficult to confirm exact facts these days. It seems to me the OP is accurate in its essence ... after declaring control of the air, the orange shitstain* has caused the loss of at least two aircraft, and presumably some of their crew.

* "orange shitstain" should always be read to include his voters.

The marmalade shartcannon told us, "We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran”.

People announced that. Right away at the beginning of the bestest excursion ever.

I do not anticipate it getting better this month. No one in this administration knew anything about Iran's people, society, or history before joining with Netanyahu on this tragic war.

They had up to a 6 mile range and are good under 15,000 feet.

Fighters are going to be out of range generally, but A10s, Blackhawks, AC130s etc. Those are going to be operating within that range.

What bullshit. Many people including hundreds of children have been murdered by this idiotic aggression. The war appears to be at a stalemate at best and the orange creature is consumed with the fantasy that all will return to ‘normal’ in a few weeks. The US has expended billions in resources and to what end……the administration demanding another $200 billion and then next year diverting billions from domestic programs to sustain a $1.5 trillion war budget? In the meantime, we tighten our budgets as prices continue to skyrocket! Tired of the whole mess.

Hey all you MAGAts, do you really support this? This is totally insane!

Peace ☮️

... too and help pick their government?

This Epstein Cover Up war is an inwinnable
nightmare.