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LiberalArkie

(19,717 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 12:58 PM Friday

The Same Families Who Tried to Overthrow FDR Are Running The Government Right Now

In 1933, a circle of Wall Street financiers allegedly hatched a plan to overthrow Franklin Roosevelt. They didn’t want to kill him. They wanted to keep him in his chair, smiling for photographs, while a puppet official — controlled by the men who paid for the operation — ran the country.

This was the during height of the Great Depression. For the average American, life was one in four men out of work, and the other three terrified they were next. Families lived in shacks made of scrap wood and tar paper. Children went to school hungry. Men walked miles every day looking for work that didn’t exist.

And while all of that was happening the richest families in America — the Du Ponts, the Rockefellers, the J.P. Morgan crowd — were losing their minds over FDR. They were used to running everything. And while they sat in their gilded dining rooms arguing over estate taxes, outside people were dying.

Much like today — the wealthiest 1% owned more than the bottom 40% combined — and these men had the nerve to call Roosevelts ideas dangerous.

Americans were suffering, and close to revolting, and FDR knew it. So, he started to put laws into place to help the average American instead of the ultra-wealthy. And the billionaires were pissed. So they started to scheme. The scheme (known as the Business Plot) failed. The scheme collapsed when the general they recruited refused to play along and reported it to Congress. No one was prosecuted. The ambition, however, never died.

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The Same Families Who Tried to Overthrow FDR Are Running The Government Right Now (Original Post) LiberalArkie Friday OP
K&R orangecrush Friday #1
I wonder whether the families of the heroic General Smedley Butler are still around Wicked Blue Friday #2
Wish I'd written that. Kid Berwyn Friday #3
Wow, I wasn't even alive back then... blue_jay Friday #17
When you say that you were alive "back then" wnylib Friday #20
2011 blue_jay Saturday #36
If it was 1938, you would be 88 today. wnylib Saturday #37
Yes, that would be amazing... blue_jay Saturday #39
BFEE "Just Us" Kid Berwyn Saturday #34
K&R 2naSalit Friday #4
Rachel Maddow told us Easterncedar Friday #5
She did... 2naSalit Friday #6
I heard of the coup attempt from my grandpappy when I was a preteen. Yea, he was a socialist. LiberalArkie Friday #8
Are you talking about Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism? ShazzieB Friday #15
Thanks! I knew I should have checked! Easterncedar Friday #16
And her podcast Glaisne Saturday #25
Thanks for the book info. Never heard of the book. Ordered it just now. KPN Saturday #26
Sort of like the High Table from the John Wick series. patphil Friday #7
Take a look dweller Friday #9
I remember watching this series on youtube several years ago. ShazamIam Saturday #35
Not exactly shocking but still crazy and fucked up LymphocyteLover Friday #10
yeah, decades of erosion to norms etc and then a flood of right wing craziness in control. Jbraybarten Saturday #27
K&R c-rational Friday #11
Greed is the most destructive addiction there is. Dave Bowman Friday #12
Post removed Post removed Friday #13
Your BuyMeACoffee page says you use AI. Do you use it for your poetry? highplainsdem Friday #14
Great graphic! yellow dahlia Friday #18
K&R for, excellent history UTUSN Friday #19
FDR, one of the greats. Joinfortmill Friday #21
And no longer on the dime... Only one left is the Kennedy half dollar. LiberalArkie Saturday #23
Thanks for this, LiberalArkie Niagara Saturday #22
And old people were apparently dying jfz9580m Saturday #24
These guys really see old people as disposable. Nope. Any people not of the noble class and of the serf class LiberalArkie Saturday #29
A key statement Timewas Saturday #28
Albert Einstein wrote an essay titled "Why Socialism?" for the First issue of Monthly Review magazine in 1949. sop Saturday #30
Make this a separate post, please! It's Einstein's birthday. Kid Berwyn Saturday #38
So glad to see someone else pointing this out. The Wielding Truth Saturday #31
And they're doing the absolute shittiest job possible. Fuck them all! Initech Saturday #32
Kicked! This fact, this history has never gotten enough attention. Instead, we write and consequrently learn a history KPN Saturday #33

Wicked Blue

(8,833 posts)
2. I wonder whether the families of the heroic General Smedley Butler are still around
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:23 PM
Friday

I think most of us are hoping for a hero or heroes to save us from the oligarchs.

blue_jay

(255 posts)
17. Wow, I wasn't even alive back then...
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:40 PM
Friday

just kidding, technically I was more than just alive, just wasn't as politically attuned or awake as I wish I had been. I have to repeat the wow though. So much fascinating info in your OP and that thread. Scary that so much of this was observed and foreseen and yet not stopped (was it even stoppable?) in its tracks. Why isn't info like this in our history books for public school these days (am assuming it's not)? We need a whole separate education on the history of politics here and worldwide. Who is writing (or banning) our modern textbooks for schools? Is there a better way to educate societies? Not expecting answers to my questions, just venting and thinking "aloud".

wnylib

(25,771 posts)
20. When you say that you were alive "back then"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:07 PM
Friday

but not politically active, which date in the previous post were you referring to,? 1938 or 2011?

wnylib

(25,771 posts)
37. If it was 1938, you would be 88 today.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 04:10 PM
Saturday

My mother lived to age 90. One of my uncles lived to 92. He was strongly anti Republican and opposed to MAGA policies. I was glad that he lived to see Biden elected. His sister lived to 93. They were my father,'s siblings. My father lived to 88.

Maybe not likely that you are 88, but not impossible.

Anyway, I was just curious.

blue_jay

(255 posts)
39. Yes, that would be amazing...
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 06:02 PM
Saturday

It was a good question, I hadn't considered that possibility of 1938 in my initial reply.

Sounds like your family has good longevity. Glad that your uncle made it to see Biden elected. Happily my mom lived to see Biden elected too, but only made it to almost 85. My dad's dad lived the longest of all of us. Pretty sure he was 93, maybe 94, I was young then. Don't know if I'll make it that long but one never knows.

LiberalArkie

(19,717 posts)
8. I heard of the coup attempt from my grandpappy when I was a preteen. Yea, he was a socialist.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 01:57 PM
Friday

ShazzieB

(22,520 posts)
15. Are you talking about Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:02 PM
Friday

I need to read that myself.

Easterncedar

(6,139 posts)
16. Thanks! I knew I should have checked!
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:07 PM
Friday

When it came out I bought 2 copies and mailed one, which got lost, so I sent my copy to replace the gift before I got far into it myself. Now I need to hit the library to finish it. I am going to fix my earlier post. Thanks again!

ShazamIam

(3,101 posts)
35. I remember watching this series on youtube several years ago.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 03:49 PM
Saturday

Edited to remove an unneeded a.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

jfz9580m

(17,047 posts)
24. And old people were apparently dying
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 11:02 AM
Saturday

In the streets. As someone who is not from a joint family here in India, but quite happy as a member of a nuclear family, I could never adapt to this large family dynamic.
These guys really see old people as disposable.

I lost 14.5 years from the prime of my life to pointless drivel driven by technodickheads and my field is punishingly hard, niche and jobs are rare to non-existent and I can’t really do a random job. wtf did I sink so much of my resources for then? But well..

I have to pushback and then go back and put my head down and work without thinking about the future. I have seen that work for people.
I want to give it all I have..complete a paper and then see.
Because this was stupid and I don’t buy it that these tech guys are anything but bullshitters.

LiberalArkie

(19,717 posts)
29. These guys really see old people as disposable. Nope. Any people not of the noble class and of the serf class
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 01:13 PM
Saturday

is disposable. Always has been.

Timewas

(2,730 posts)
28. A key statement
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 01:09 PM
Saturday

Main thing I see in there, "No one was prosecuted" seems tobe the main theme in all of this BS then and now, they are above the law, laws are for us peons.

sop

(18,410 posts)
30. Albert Einstein wrote an essay titled "Why Socialism?" for the First issue of Monthly Review magazine in 1949.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 01:19 PM
Saturday

The following paragraph from his essay touched on the evils of corporate media consolidation, a problem even at that time. Enstein's observations are even more true now than they were during FDR's day.

"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."

https://monthlyreview.org/articles/why-socialism/

Kid Berwyn

(24,175 posts)
38. Make this a separate post, please! It's Einstein's birthday.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 05:29 PM
Saturday

Please. Guy was born on Pi day. When AI is gonna send the same "limitless" profits at the expense of an unemployed humanity to the Ellisons and their ilk, its message is something all should read and share.

The Wielding Truth

(11,433 posts)
31. So glad to see someone else pointing this out.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 01:21 PM
Saturday

These greedy selfish businessmen have been working on this for decades.

KPN

(17,331 posts)
33. Kicked! This fact, this history has never gotten enough attention. Instead, we write and consequrently learn a history
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 01:24 PM
Saturday

that is palatable to the "aristocrats". It works because it's no different really than the tactics used by the illicit drug "industry". Make friends with the young grommets on the street corner, give them some free narcotic, and then some more, wean them from the free stuff once they're addicted to expand their market and maybe even convince some to peddle for them, further and expanding their pyramid scheme. They just do it with nice stuff for cheap, i.e., within the limits of what they are willing to pay us for our labor.

Really -- this does not an iota of the attention it deserves ... in the media, educationally, or from our "leaders".


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