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A thought. Had we really partnered with Ukraine, (Original Post) cachukis Thursday OP
TSF was and is on the wrong side of history not only with Ukraine but on the home front economically Deuxcents Thursday #1
Trump "partners" with NOBODY. Every relationship he has is abusive, and he betrays everyone near him or who trusts him. usonian Thursday #2
Yes, but we, I mean we Americans, allowed this to cachukis Thursday #3
He read right out of the fascist playbook. usonian Thursday #5
I was thinking the same thing. Irish_Dem Thursday #4
by definition we're not in an asymmetrical war in Iran... WarGamer Thursday #7
Which is exactly how I am looking at it. Irish_Dem Thursday #9
Still in the "all is well!11" phase I see. BannonsLiver Friday #12
Do you really think that "The Smartest President (and person) ever" will listen to anyone but his gang of sick o phants? usonian Thursday #10
Ha ha no Irish_Dem Thursday #11
might have been ww3 and nuclear war too WarGamer Thursday #6
Don't even want to contemplate. cachukis Thursday #8
We ARE partnered with Ukraine GreatGazoo Friday #13
I suppose you are technically correct. cachukis Friday #14
"we could have learned the ins and outs of drone warfare" GreatGazoo Friday #16
I admit to not being a warfare guy. I had read that cachukis Friday #17
I just read your article. cachukis Friday #18
"Asymmetrical warfare" is how smaller entities beat or repel larger ones GreatGazoo Saturday #19
Spot on. cachukis Saturday #20
As an aside, that article dates to 2022. cachukis Friday #15

Deuxcents

(26,588 posts)
1. TSF was and is on the wrong side of history not only with Ukraine but on the home front economically
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:34 PM
Thursday

Socially and emotionally. He has always been a disaster as a person.

usonian

(24,914 posts)
2. Trump "partners" with NOBODY. Every relationship he has is abusive, and he betrays everyone near him or who trusts him.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 08:44 PM
Thursday
STARTING WITH HIS WIFE.


cachukis

(3,890 posts)
3. Yes, but we, I mean we Americans, allowed this to
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:07 PM
Thursday

happen. We have allowed ourselves to be led by this megalomania.
History will examine and maybe discover why this happened for those bemused by this time, but we are living it.
Why are we not, with our deep aspectoralizations, able to guide our replacements to consider the consequences?
That is where we are.
We could have honored Ukraine's defense of our world, but didn't.
We are not escaping this fiasco for quite some time. The rules don't work anymore.

usonian

(24,914 posts)
5. He read right out of the fascist playbook.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:45 PM
Thursday

Why do you think that movies are full of violence and "social media" abound in hate and vilification?

Hate sells. It arouses. It blinds people to what's their own good, and hands off their souls to a vile manipulator.

In short, a cult.

Democrats play "by the rules" but the rules don't work against cults.



People vote against their own and the country's best interests.

So they can live vicariously through the uncivilized hate figure.

Be advised.

Irish_Dem

(81,006 posts)
4. I was thinking the same thing.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:28 PM
Thursday

The US needs Ukraine right now.

How to fight an asymmetrical modern war.

WarGamer

(18,566 posts)
7. by definition we're not in an asymmetrical war in Iran...
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:48 PM
Thursday

Unless you're looking at the Iranians like the Ukrainians

Irish_Dem

(81,006 posts)
9. Which is exactly how I am looking at it.
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:01 PM
Thursday

Iran will use cyber attacks, terrorist attacks, drones, and any other unconventional strategies it can come up with.

usonian

(24,914 posts)
10. Do you really think that "The Smartest President (and person) ever" will listen to anyone but his gang of sick o phants?
Thu Mar 12, 2026, 10:15 PM
Thursday

He and his henchmen fired as many qualified people as they could find.

It was all a setup to create KAOS and a state of emergency.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220295160

May 2025. Some things changed A LITTLE.

GreatGazoo

(4,575 posts)
13. We ARE partnered with Ukraine
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:04 PM
Friday

We have seen the Iranian drones and the Russian versions in combat there for the last three years.

2022:

"Western militaries have long offered training and equipment to the country’s armed forces. According to a recent New York Times report, the US has more than 150 military advisers in the country, including special forces troopers."

https://cepa.org/article/the-ties-that-bind-western-advisers-in-ukraine/


It's a proxy war. We have had "advisors" in Ukraine since 2014 and we added more at the outbreak of that war. It's our gear, our satellites, our intel and our tactics.

cachukis

(3,890 posts)
14. I suppose you are technically correct.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:50 PM
Friday

But there have been opportunities lost as our commander in chief has an aversion to assisting Zelenskyy and has never done anything to aid in the negotiations to defend Ukraine right to sovereignty.
Putin, with, in my estimation, a stronger western perspective, notably NATO and EU considerations that Ukraine has longed for, could have been stymied some time ago.
And now, we up the ante by filling Putin's coffers.
We have been more silent than wise.
Furthermore, my point was we could have learned the ins and outs of drone warfare and how the battlefield has changed with today's weaponry.

GreatGazoo

(4,575 posts)
16. "we could have learned the ins and outs of drone warfare"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:33 PM
Friday

I'm unclear why you think the USA doesn't have access to that learning. USA admits to having "more than 150" troops and special forces in Ukraine.

These guys cover the Ukraine war day by day in detail:

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-12-2026/

That much is shared publicly. I assume what is shared institutionally is much more in depth, especially with respect to weapons development and effective counter measures.

Pentagon has a double agent embedded on the Russian side as well. The Russians know it so they use his channel for propaganda but the Pentagon is getting info from that arrangement as well or else they would not allow it and would shut down the Youtube channel. "From 2001 to 2006 he was a sailor in the US Navy specializing as a cryptologic technician." Military intelligence is a tangled web but nothing going on in the Ukraine war is a secret to the USA. This is one of his wilder reports on drone warfare in Ukraine:

cachukis

(3,890 posts)
17. I admit to not being a warfare guy. I had read that
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:20 PM
Friday

we were relying on a precision missile mentality. That our defensive missiles were much more costly than less expensive drones. That the Ukraine had developed successful responses to Russian drone incursions.
I had not read we had a ready made response to Iranian drones and that Ukraine offered to train us on their findings.
I have read that Iranian drones have persistently penetrated our defensive situations in Gulf Coast Countries.
So if we have forces in Ukraine learning from their advances in drone technology, you would think that would have been passed up the chain of command.
I have not read that we have employed the techniques used by Ukraine. Again, I don't often read military journals, so I might be ignorant on this matter.
I do fear that Iran's experience with drones will have an impact on the Strait of Hormuz.

cachukis

(3,890 posts)
18. I just read your article.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 06:30 PM
Friday

It does mention that Ukraine was sending experts to help the US in country.
I did read earlier that the US was rejecting Ukraine expertise.
Regardless, I am not confident that trump has a good handle on managing our forces beyond the rah rah factor.
Our military knows the game and has no peer. But have they been put in a tenable situation that could go bad?

GreatGazoo

(4,575 posts)
19. "Asymmetrical warfare" is how smaller entities beat or repel larger ones
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 07:03 AM
Saturday

The weakness of empires has always been how inflexible they are. The US kept making tanks long after WW2 ended. We are always preparing to refight the last war. Meanwhile the Houtis, Iranians et al are finding vulnerabilities and exploiting them. We have billion dollar radar -- they make $30K drones out of balsa wood that fly low thus are hard to detect.

Learning, by large organizations in general, is slowed by arrogance, bureaucracy, and recency bias such as thinking that 'Iran will go just like Venezuela'. US military is very high tech so it is easy for politicians to get sucked into thinking more and newer tech is the answer but as you point out real learning comes only from the battlefield. In Vietnam we had electronic sensors all over the Ho Chi Minh Trail that were going to help us stop the flow of Chinese troops and weapons coming south. Didn't work. Meanwhile the Vietcong were using bamboo for everything.

Famously during WW2 the Japanese tried to interrupt our progress toward nuclear bombs using 9,300 "fire balloons" , aka Fu Go, launched into a part of the Pacific jetstream that would carry them to California. The goal was to start brush fires. Didn't work but shows the extreme flexibility that smaller adversaries can employ when their survival is at stake. The ability to learn and adapt quickly is very valuable during military conflicts and some of the saddest stories in warfare are when commanders won't learn and regular troops pay with their lives until they do.

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