And they really have earned our distaste. It's amazing to me to see the change in my own attitude over the years. I was once a very strong supporter. But at some point, you have to bow to reality.

No matter what religion worship in a house of worship not a military operation..

Keep your religion to yourself . I don't want my tax dollars pushing your religion down someone Elise's throat at my expense.

I too am tired of people using their ridiculous delusions for bigotry, politics, war, etc.............UGH!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY.

But remember that their belief systems merely facilitate plunder, resource and land theft. They all worship two things - power and wealth.

"facilitate[s] plunder, resource and land theft"?

Who are the "They all"?

Anyone else's "throat." The thought is risible.

Prove me wrong.

But Hollywood sure does.
I just watched the new movie "Nuremberg" only to be reminded over and over again about 6 million Holocaust deaths.
That was certainly a horrible, factual atrocity.
But so were the deaths of 60 million other people in WW2. The fire bombing of Dresden, the vaporizing of tens of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Nazi brutalizing of Soviet soldiers and citizens were also "crimes against humanity."

Hey, Israel: We ALL have been victims.
Just ask the Cherokee. Or the Ukrainians who died in Stalin's Holodomor.
Or the Catholics burned at the stake by Protestants and vice versa.
And the victims of brutal American slavery in the so-called "Land of the Free"!

/My rant over.

Is like complaining Titanic talks so much about a sinking ship.

But hey, we get it- Jews had so many people murdered that the population still has not recovered to this day, but we all had it rough, rationing and all.

Is also a democracy with some citizens of other religions or none does not separate Israel and Jews in twain.

21% of the citizens of Israel are Palestinian Citizens of Israel or Arab Citizens of Israel

Muslims comprise over 18% of the Israeli population. They serve in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court. They are free to practice their religion, and there are over 400 mosques in Israel in which to do so.

they are anti-Jewish?

In what Universe is anything occurring over there worse than what the Nazis performed during the Holocaust ?

No hyperbole required here. Things are bad enough.

Using nukes where EVERYONE is incinerated is not worse ?

Americans need to get off their high horse until they condemn Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, without any reference to "But we needed to save future lives in a possible future invasion."

Or Iraq.

Is that a guarantee ?

Including later deaths from radiation exposure.

Compared to 6 million, many of whom were tortured before they ultimately died.

But we're inexcusable, but objectively there is no comparison.

Every one has seen the starvation, lack of water, shelter, living with the stress of constant Isreal bombings in Gaza and Palestinian prisoners are beaten and tortured in the Israel prison, sometimes w/o charges

Number wise the scope of the ww2 crimes were larger for sure but they were better hidden

The ONLY nukes dropped on humans were by the United States on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The largest estimates I can find for the death toll of those two bombs - including those who died later from the after-effects of radiation exposure - is around 250,000 total. 1/24th of the death toll of Jews at the hand of Nazis.

Objectively, the holocaust was worse.

But don't kid yourself. The world knew what was going on in the Holocaust - for the most part, people just turned a blind eye as long as they were not the targets. People turned a blind eye to the Holocaust, just as many in the US are turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed by and on behalf of Trump.

But, really don't wanna do the 'whatism' except to say that the twenty century brought us Genocide.

Wasn't he supposed to be on his way out? Is he pulling a "tRump distraction" to save his own ass in his own country?
Edit:
*I just saw this ad in my gmail...

"FREE U.S. – Israel Flag Pin
You can show your solidarity with Israel and the Jewish people by requesting your FREE US-Israel Flag Pin. Wear it proudly everywhere you go to show your unwavering support of Israel and Her people".

If you really want the link to buy one I can provide it bit I doubt there will be many requests.

The R-election of tRump 2028 fund?

Both are corrupt. Both care only about their own personal interests, exploiting war to do so, and both have engendered more hate for their own people worldwide than any intentional campaign designed specifically to do so- that I could imagine could do.

This will be generational.

There's been sooooo much worry over the years about propaganda from various anti-Israel sources turning the west against Israel. But that kinda strengthened my support. What turned me was the Netanyahu/Ganz fascism and war mongering. They did this themselves. They shredded immense good will, and I hope they reap exactly what they've earned.

We and many I know boycott any brand or investment that could benefit Israel. If you look at foreign investment in Israel and now, since Trump 2.0, the US it has been markedly in decline. The economic story is one side of the coin but the other is international politics and cooperation which is also no longer favoring either country. While Trump can threaten foreign governments, individuals and businesses in those countries still get to do what they want. Like no longer buy our wine, spirits, cars, military hardware, professional services, stocks, bonds, ag products and on and on. Plus, the Iranians as a Muslim based culture are not going away. Nor are the Palestinians. Do the current actions decrease the risks to Israel and the US? Only in the short term but at great cost to our image and pocketbooks.

They're no longer a democracy. Bibi has been in power for 30 years

Or the far right Iranian Islamic Republic at all different? Id like to see the leaders of Iran, Israel and the U.S. overthrown and forced to pay for their atrocities in our names. Only we can do that by voting, making noise daily, and forming tight alliances with those that agree with us. It’s fantastic that most Israelis are our allies, don’t you think? Please be very specific when you rant? It can be a good thing, but non-specificity can get a lot of people hurt.

That should tell you something.

Jewish Americans, OTOH, support Democrats, though Trump's support in that demographic increased in the last election, driven by the Orthodox community.

Just love MAGA. And that includes the Christian zionists who need Israel to exist so that there end times fantasies can be fulfilled.

And Trump is of course beholden to his evangelical base. As well as his fanatically pro-Israel Zionist (is that redundant?) donors. Like Miriam Adelson, who donated $100 million to his campaign and who was standing right behind him at his first inauguration. Not sure where she was at the second one, but not far behind I'm sure. It is thanks to the influence and pressure of the Adelson family that the embassy was moved to Jerusalem and Golan Heights was annexed. Adelson and others are now pushing for West Bank annexation.

My viw of evangelicals? They should all move to Israel and wait for the end times there. I'm sure they would enjoy both the wait and the event.

That is all

Many years and I am getting sicker of them by the hour.

But not their government. The same goes for Gaza. I support the Palestinians but not the Hamas members who are in charge.

And right now, all over the world, people are saying, “I support the American people but not the fascist dictator in the White House.

Everyone needs to get smarter about who they put into office.

I feel similarly.

but Israel did vote Nyatenhu out. And we voted MF45 out.

But they lied, cheated, stole and weaseled their way back into power again.

when two jailbirds, netanyahu and trump, are leading israel and the united states, it must beexpected that not just you, but the entire world is sick of them and their countries.

What has America got from being their attack dog in the region for the last 60 years?

An Israeli military leader was on TV a week ago and said that, "We (Israel) haven't decided if the US will have boots on the ground yet." A foreign country is deciding if US men and women will die fighting to defend them from a threat that was contained.

That is what we send to Israel each year. And what do they do with that money (?) the give all their citizens PUBLIC HEALTH CARE and ABORTION is legal. They have the 5th largest MILITARY on this world. So why don't we have public health care and abortion if Israel is such a great nation to use as a worldly example of what every country should aspire to be.

Christian zionists who require Israel to exist so that their end times fantasies can come true.

So...

Campaign financing and Empire geopolitical interests are the issue. They transcend party lines.

as a voting bloc, are a relatively recent phenomenon..The US alliance with Israel goes back about 70 + years or so.

that "It's the only democracy in the Mid-East."

Well, it's not a democracy. Israel doesn't recognize Arabs as citizens. Israel purposely displaces Arabs for Jewish settlers. Arabs have a very limited role in government. Israel is essentially a theocracy as fundamentalist Jews have a strong coalition in the government and Netanyahu supports them.

You know which country HAD a democracy? Iran. Until 1952, when it nationalized the oil reserves, and the CIA replaced Iran's democracy with a monarch.

Just because someone will chime in with a half-truth..

About citizenship, the Arab population of Israel proper does have citizenship. They call themseles Palestinian Citizens of Israel.

But the catch is they don't have EQUAL citizenship to Jewish Israelis who are the only ones granted the right to self-determination.

The 1992 Basic Law of Human Dignity and Freedom (like a Bill of Rights) establishes Israel as a state of the "Jewish people". Not its citizens. So where do Palestinians fit in to a bill that touts HUMAN freedom and dignity? Where is THEIR state?

In addition, dozens of laws priviledge Jewish Israelis over Palestinians, who also get inferior state services. Palestinian kids do poorly in school because they receive vastly inferior education. (Compare that to Gaza, where literacy and post-secondary completion rates are sky high). There are as many as 45 pre-Israel, old Palestinian villages that receive no state services like water and electricity at all. The list of inequalities goes on and on.

To top it all off, most Israelis want their Palestinian "citizens " to skedaddle and be gone from the "state of the Jewish people". At some point, that is what will happen, "citizenship" or not.

And please don’t jump on me; I’m Jewish.

I prefer the pre-1940s Israel where land and rights were shared.

I ike the idea of sharing. As in a One State. But it's a pipedream now...

Interestingly, I read somewhere there is increased support among Palestinians for a One State. If that is true, they are becoming more pragmatic and willing to share while Israeli Jews are undeniably moving towards extremism, intransigence and winner-take-all.

Iran was a monarchy for roughly 2,500 years, from the founding of the Achaemenid Empire around 550 BCE until the 1979 Iranian Revolution, which replaced the Pahlavi dynasty with an Islamic Republic.

including some who are members of the Knesset and one who sits on the Supreme Court.

I adamantly oppose the government of Israel. Netanyahu and his henchmen are animals.

I support the people of Israel who for the most part do not support this government.

I totally agree with perdita9's post above.

I cannot express how angry it makes me that the sole Jewish state on the planet is led by absolute monsters.

Seeing Jewish symbols used in the oppression of Palestinians has been deeply disturbing to me. The first moment that shook me was noticing the Temple Menorah carved into the stone wall of a police station where my Palestinian friends had been physically abused. It felt jarring and painful to see a symbol with such deep spiritual meaning associated with a place of violence. I struggled deeply with the knowledge that children in Gaza were drawing pictures of Israeli fighter jets marked with the Magen David on their wings. The way these images became tied to their experience of fear and war filled me with anger and heartbreak. And the genocide has torn my soul.

Likud is now in the center. The extreme right has moved to the mainstream . And that is what Amalek actually looks like.

Bibi and krasnov are both murderers for their own political protection - horrid!!!

sickening

however it should not be forgotten that there were mass celebrations around the world on October 8 as well.

I knew it would trigger even more senseless slaughter

And for those in Congress that means how they vote.

again

The death of 6 million Jews doesn’t give anyone the right to retaliate in kind.

Jews just need to get over it but I think I know your answer.

the only real requirement to participate was WEALTH

Using 'Israel" blames the people

Link to tweet

"conspiracy theories, pseudoscience anti-Israel propaganda, poor sourcing, failed fact checks, and false claims."

According to Media Bias Fact Check which has often been cited on DU as a reliable source.

I an not naive enough to think I can compete with confirmation bias.

had for Israel is gone. They have lost the war of public opinion for at least a generation.

I am not anti-semantic but I am anti-Israeli government with it's present leadership.

I am not anti-American but I am definitely anti-American government with it's present leadership.

I'm sick to death of Netanyahu and AIPAC leading our own politicians around by the nose and calling anybody who does not support them antisemitic. Do people in Israel generally approve of what Netanyahu has done/is doing?