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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am very confused about this war on all sides.
What I think is happening is that a lot of the information
put out by the news media and the leaders is nothing
but propaganda designed to justify the attacks and the
need to take over the ME on the part of Netanyahu and
Trump.
I just can't get a real handle on exactly where we are in
this debacle.
Things I do know: Isreal is attempting to destry Hezbollah
in Lebanao; and in the process, killing and misplacing lots
of innocent people.
Isreal is attempting to justify the war by saying they have
destroyed a key nuclear bomb buildig site in Iran, but have
no real specifics... I think they did drop bombs there, but
I am very skeptical about the nuclear part.
What I do know, is that Iran's oil production and export
capability is being attacked hard... and this means that
all countries depending on this oil are due to suffer and
possibly collapse as a result.
What I don't know is whether the USA will collapse,
though I can definitely see the possiblity.
What a clusterfuck.
Raven123
(7,751 posts)Just dont believe much if what hear, see or read,
ananda
(34,921 posts)Some real news is getting through, but
it takes careful reading across several
news sources to verify it.
That's why I get confused and have to really
think about it in a way that makes some sort
of sense.
One example is: who is the leader of Iran?
Are they keeping it moot to protect him and
the government?
Another is: USA and Israel are clearly pretending
that Iran has nuclear building capabiility. That
much is definitely propaganda.
Bibi and Trump want to control the entire ME.
What Putin gets out of it is collateral wealth, but
I don't think he's behind all this. Iran was one of
Putin's key assets.
He gives Iran intelligence on US bases and movements, then enjoys Donny's support against UKR. Who's winning?? He's got Diddling Donny coming and going. Putin can now hold a sardine in front of Trump's face and Donny will bark like a seal.
unblock
(56,152 posts)Russia's economy was not doing well at all between the war with Ukraine and the sustained low oil prices.
The decrease in supply and closure of shipping routes means oil prices jump which helps Russia immensely, arguably saves it entirely.
And America gets the blame. Shocking that Donnie would do something that benefits Putin, I know.
pat_k
(13,186 posts)And the felon's regime is reportedly considering waivers to enable purchase of Russian oil more broadly.
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)India got a "waiver" to order Russian oil.
usonian
(24,717 posts)
Thank you for your attention this neuralyzer!.
ananda
(34,921 posts)Sheesh
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)Iran's strategy is economic warfare. By driving up prices and making oil more scarce globally, they hurt the US and help Iran. It's short sighted.
ananda
(34,921 posts)How does it help Iran?
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)So by driving up the price of oil, it increases economic pressure on the US. It directly helps Iran's current strategy, even if it is painful in other ways.
For a more detailed perspective, check out these two videos in order:
ananda
(34,921 posts)but not exactly how it helps Iran.
OK, I don't see Iran being helped at all
if the entire ME around it collapses. I
see it isolated in a sea of starvation
and death.
Consider: how will people in the ME get
potable water, for example?
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)But you ask a good question about water. Iran knows that there is little support in the US for this war, that Trump (and the US) is sensitive to inflation, and that other major countries like India and China get much of their oil from the middle east. If Iran can reduce the amount of oil coming out of the middle east, it drives up prices. This has political consequences for Trump and creates pressure from other countries to end the war. Ending the war without concessions or limited concessions benefits Iran. Iran is left with the damage, but they have friends to help them pick up the pieces. Namely Russia and China.
ananda
(34,921 posts)But consider.
All of this is a wet dream for Trump and all Republicans
who enjoy killing and inflicting hardship on people.
Bibi and Trump are megalomaniacal criminals trying
to stay in power and out of jail... with Trump raking
billions through mob boss tactics.
IOW, they are not going to quit; and Iran and the ME
are not going to fare well.
The USA might also collapse. Who knows what's going
on with out oil reserve.... Trump is playing games talking
about that too.
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)It really seems like there's no strategy. They certainly can't articulate one. To get the outcome that they want likely requires ground troops.
ananda
(34,921 posts)Insanity rules strongly enough here to make that
a distinct possilbility.
unblock
(56,152 posts)Yes Iran benefits from higher oil prices in this is why they are cutting off supply routes and attacking refineries in nearby countries that are helping us.
But it hurts them more to lose their own oil and oil production capabilities. They could simply refuse to sell their oil to help posh up prices if they wanted, and don't need the money for a while. But they certainly don't benefit from those facilities being destroyed.
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)How long they are offline and how long the war lasts and what they have to give up to end the war determines whether they benefit long term.
unblock
(56,152 posts)JI7
(93,492 posts)Saudi Arabia also wants to see the Islamic regime in Iran destroyed.
I think some of these wealthy Arab nations may have convinced Trump by showing how he will be able to benefit personally.
Renew Deal
(84,968 posts)ananda
(34,921 posts)Suffice it to say... a lot of money is at play privately
for wealthy profiteers.
ananda
(34,921 posts)and Iran is attacking their infrastructure
and water facilities.
S/V Loner
(9,532 posts)Without the DODs approval. Even unclassified information.
ananda
(34,921 posts)That's why I use foreign news sources:
BBC, Jerusalem Post, Al Jazeera... like that.
It was the Jerusalem Post that talked around
the Israeli bombing of the nuclear site.. enough
to tell me that it was propaganda. It was very
clever reporting.
Kid Berwyn
(24,060 posts)Treason and mass murder as a form of professional courtesy.
ananda
(34,921 posts)No country involved will come out of this in
a good way.
