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riversedge

(80,130 posts)
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:07 PM 12 hrs ago

A man was harassing a woman in the elevator. See what she did.♥️

This creep might think twice before he harasses another woman!!--maybe!!

A man was harassing a woman in the elevator. See what she did.♥️


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A man was harassing a woman in the elevator. See what she did.♥️ (Original Post) riversedge 12 hrs ago OP
Good on her! 3catwoman3 12 hrs ago #1
Think? BidenRocks 11 hrs ago #52
Sadly true. niyad 10 hrs ago #96
Well, yes, there is that. 3catwoman3 10 hrs ago #97
It's all bdamomma 4 hrs ago #165
life can be challenging when you think with your dick. and so many of them do nt orleans 3 hrs ago #167
Good LetMyPeopleVote 12 hrs ago #2
Sorry, but from a legal standpoint, that's got to be excessive use of force. PeaceWave 12 hrs ago #3
Nah...and he won't report it anyhow. MineralMan 12 hrs ago #7
He was immobilized after the kick to his crotch. The knee to his head was overkill. PeaceWave 12 hrs ago #9
How was she to know that? I would have been scared to death that he would attack again in that closed space. AnotherMother4Peace 12 hrs ago #15
He never raised his head again after the kick to the crotch. He clearly was no longer a threat. PeaceWave 11 hrs ago #32
What leads you to assert a momentarily lowered head removes all threat? Torchlight 11 hrs ago #34
Are you really going to ask a sexual assault victim BidenRocks 11 hrs ago #60
I included an excerpt from the post I responded to Torchlight 11 hrs ago #61
Perhaps quotation marks might have avoided confusion. I knew niyad 10 hrs ago #92
Bet you that those who are trying to give the assaulter protection are not female. efhmc 10 hrs ago #102
Definitely. MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #115
You underestimate the danger she was in ninjanurse 7 hrs ago #133
Don't think he'll be pressing charges, but if he does, my money is on her. Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #17
Maybe a little overkill is what he needed. GaYellowDawg 12 hrs ago #18
I am guessing that it must be difficult to be a woman within your circle of niyad 12 hrs ago #27
Absolutely! SheltieLover 11 hrs ago #49
What would Krusty Gnome have done?? BattleRow 11 hrs ago #66
Pulled out her gun? niyad 10 hrs ago #98
What man would touch Kristie Gnome? maxrandb 8 hrs ago #124
Well, there is at least one. Wednesdays 7 hrs ago #131
We can't count her plastic surgeon. :-) nt spooky3 2 hrs ago #175
By all reports: Corey Lewandowski ShazzieB 53 min ago #179
Nominated for best reply of the century. Maybe Ilsa 10 hrs ago #71
I am deeply honoured, thank you. My first reaction was unprintable. niyad 10 hrs ago #87
+1 leftstreet 10 hrs ago #108
+2 Permanut 9 hrs ago #118
Great response niyad Brenda 7 hrs ago #138
Thank you. It took a bit to write calmly! niyad 7 hrs ago #140
It's been sad to see apologists here for decades. Brenda 7 hrs ago #142
I am absolutely not surprised, coming from that one Skittles 30 min ago #181
So disappointingly true. niyad 24 min ago #185
Bravo! BlueSpot 29 min ago #182
Thank you. niyad 24 min ago #186
The Asshole was groping a woman in an elevator. MineralMan 11 hrs ago #69
I agree liberalgunwilltravel 10 hrs ago #95
Some people respond as if it's not the real world people live in. MineralMan 10 hrs ago #101
Thank you for mentioning training in self defense oberle 3 hrs ago #169
She made it quite clear after the 1st kacekwl 10 hrs ago #80
Nobody is immobilized by one woman's kick to the groin synni 10 hrs ago #88
No it wasn't and her defense was exactly as women are trained to do when being assaulted ms liberty 9 hrs ago #120
Not from my viewpoint Sanity Claws 12 hrs ago #10
The legal standard for self-defense allows individuals to use "reasonable, proportional force." PeaceWave 12 hrs ago #14
You wholly ignore 'Reasonable Fear' Torchlight 12 hrs ago #20
The fact that she was trapped & couldn't escape changed the situation, IMO. CrispyQ 12 hrs ago #29
....... bluestarone 11 hrs ago #38
And she reasoned that he needed a little more reason not to re-attack. MineralMan 10 hrs ago #74
Your concern for the sexual predator is noted. chia 9 hrs ago #119
if a guy touches me uninvited Skittles 27 min ago #183
Sorry, he had ample opportunity to act in an adult and civil manner Torchlight 12 hrs ago #11
He put hands on her mcar 12 hrs ago #22
He wasn't going to stop The Blue Flower 12 hrs ago #26
That's right mcar 4 hrs ago #160
He put his hands on her TWICE Seinan Sensei 11 hrs ago #45
She had every reason to believe he wouldn't stop mcar 4 hrs ago #161
Is there a legal limit on beating a potential rapist to the floor? I saw no blood, body parts were still attached irisblue 12 hrs ago #23
Even if in a place with a "duty to flee" IbogaProject 12 hrs ago #25
Not excessive at all Soul_of_Wit 12 hrs ago #30
If that was done to my Daughter or my Wife Seinan Sensei 11 hrs ago #50
Nope. She's got it on video. He was warned. thought crime 11 hrs ago #33
LOL don't you ever watch scary movies? leftstreet 11 hrs ago #40
Yeah. You're right. Too bad she wasn't wearing a stiletto, right? PeaceWave 11 hrs ago #43
Sorry. Your post is just so tone deaf leftstreet 11 hrs ago #48
Self-defense, not aggression. niyad 11 hrs ago #51
This is the problem. Self defense isn't a free pass for unlimited aggression. PeaceWave 11 hrs ago #57
What then is the precise point at which defense ends and aggression begins? Torchlight 11 hrs ago #59
see post 27 niyad 10 hrs ago #82
It's not a free pass for anything. Aristus 10 hrs ago #93
Unlimited aggression? MontanaMama 10 hrs ago #99
The problem is MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #117
Ah, correct! leftstreet 11 hrs ago #58
And I am so FUCKING PISSED at the misogynistic, patriarchal BS niyad 10 hrs ago #109
Misogyny is Patriarchy's oxygen leftstreet 9 hrs ago #110
Absolutely! SheltieLover 11 hrs ago #67
Stiletto to the eyes face would be an effective response. irisblue 10 hrs ago #84
There was a reason I used to wear 4-inch heels when I was in public. niyad 8 hrs ago #125
Stick him with a Hat Pin! BidenRocks 5 hrs ago #152
Very true. I don't wear hats, since my sunglasses are usually there if I niyad 5 hrs ago #156
There isn't a jury on this planet that would convict her. cloudbase 11 hrs ago #42
He was lucky she didn't pull out a pistol. Nt spooky3 11 hrs ago #70
Sadly, you are overly optimistic about juries. I have seen too many niyad 7 hrs ago #126
Indeed. Some of the posts beggar belief. cloudbase 7 hrs ago #127
Sadly true! niyad 7 hrs ago #129
It absolutely is not obamanut2012 11 hrs ago #53
If she were a man... Dear_Prudence 11 hrs ago #54
Killing him would have been excessive use of force Random Boomer 11 hrs ago #56
And I hope she reported him to the police. Nt spooky3 10 hrs ago #72
He put his hands on her. She had no idea what was next. Irish_Dem 11 hrs ago #62
What legal standpoint? fujiyamasan 11 hrs ago #65
Thank you for pointing that out. niyad 7 hrs ago #128
Not a problem fujiyamasan 7 hrs ago #145
I heard that some Japanese rail lines BidenRocks 5 hrs ago #157
This would be a good training video ! thought crime 3 hrs ago #171
She was trapped in a box with a man who assaulted her. LuckyCharms 11 hrs ago #68
"If she had killed him for it, she would have been justified." - Sorry, but no, she would not have been justified. PeaceWave 10 hrs ago #75
You're very wrong. LuckyCharms 10 hrs ago #77
No. I'm right and no amount of being upset at me (for raising the point) or the legal system (for being what it is)... PeaceWave 10 hrs ago #86
I think you're confusing rejections of your assertions with "being upset" Torchlight 10 hrs ago #90
Snicker Brenda 7 hrs ago #139
Oh, I'm not upset at all. LuckyCharms 10 hrs ago #100
She turned and pushed a button BidenRocks 5 hrs ago #158
See post 27. Keep digging that hole, dear heart. It is such a good look for you. niyad 7 hrs ago #130
If you are in that situation, you have every reason to believe someone is going to try and rape you. FascismIsDeath 35 sec ago #189
"Excessive" would have been another two or three kicks to his nuts. GoCubsGo 10 hrs ago #76
Nope. MontanaMama 10 hrs ago #91
+1 for the blame comment. - nt CrispyQ 5 hrs ago #159
She should've shouted "but the DOW is over fifty thousand" Shambala 9 hrs ago #114
Snicker niyad 7 hrs ago #132
Public Service Notice ninjanurse 7 hrs ago #134
Not sure about this because she would surely have been in fear of her life. He assaulted her by PatrickforB 5 hrs ago #154
Well, if that had gone to trial and she was in the dock on assault charges, and I were on the jury... Jedi Guy 1 hr ago #178
I don't think so. A man is bigger and stronger than a woman, so she would be justified in fearing that if she didn't tblue37 27 min ago #184
Hope she left some lasting damage dalton99a 12 hrs ago #4
And That's How You Do It! MineralMan 12 hrs ago #5
She really dealt with that assaulter but hope she also called security and police to protect other less capable women. MLAA 12 hrs ago #6
The fact that we are seeing the video... Soul_of_Wit 11 hrs ago #36
I'm pretty sure a lot of elevators have security cameras in them. MineralMan 10 hrs ago #78
That was the perfect place to put my last heart. 1WorldHope 12 hrs ago #8
K&R! Torchlight 12 hrs ago #12
Good for her! SheltieLover 12 hrs ago #13
Whoa, don't know if this is real, but I'm gonna use her moves! Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #16
He (and Trump) need a dictionary that explain what "No!" means. Ping Tung 12 hrs ago #19
From 2016, apparently woman is a Beijing TV host and actress. betsuni 12 hrs ago #21
Thank you for this. I thought it looked a bit familiar. Still relevant. niyad 7 hrs ago #135
I wish more women/girls had more situational awareness. irisblue 12 hrs ago #24
A friend asked me once why I do not use headphones when I am niyad 11 hrs ago #39
Holy shit that was pretty badass! fujiyamasan 12 hrs ago #28
Bravo! You go, girl! Vinca 11 hrs ago #31
BRAVA!!! niyad 11 hrs ago #37
I do not know whether this was staged (as I remember a similar video niyad 11 hrs ago #35
Excessive force, Maj. Dude 11 hrs ago #41
Well done! UpInArms 11 hrs ago #44
This seems staged. However, IF this video teaches or inspires a woman to: flvegan 11 hrs ago #46
What more do we know about this? I think it looks like... QueerDuck 11 hrs ago #47
There is a (possibly apocryphal) story from many years ago in the London tube dickthegrouch 11 hrs ago #55
She was in danger with no ability to flee until the door opened Ritabert 11 hrs ago #63
And THAT, my dears, is how it is DONE!!!!! hamsterjill 11 hrs ago #64
I celebrate her quick reactions--and good aim! hlthe2b 10 hrs ago #73
Good for her. He has no business putting hands on her. She did excellent. Don't minimize. Srkdqltr 10 hrs ago #79
Possibly fake video Tasmanian Devil 10 hrs ago #81
Nope. That is a camera mounted in the ceiling of the elevator car. MineralMan 10 hrs ago #104
well, i guess i could smile at the camera next time i'm in an elevator -- but i don't think it'll show up very good orleans 3 hrs ago #168
Looks fake to me. There's a lot of this stuff getting posted in the "reels" Liberal In Texas 10 hrs ago #107
So.... MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #113
LOL! ShazzieB 34 min ago #180
Well done. It falls into the same category then as that bear in the forest question... PeaceWave 9 hrs ago #116
Wut? Brenda 7 hrs ago #147
And the only rec for this post calling it AI slop is Brenda 7 hrs ago #143
Please ... Tasmanian Devil 5 hrs ago #153
This looks so fake Chicagogrl1 10 hrs ago #83
It's fake. They're both amateur actors. Made to be click-bait and passed all over social media. Liberal In Texas 7 hrs ago #149
Fake or not, if only something like that had happened to a convicted 34-count... the nelm 3 hrs ago #170
I can't believe that the guy thought that would work. mjvpi 10 hrs ago #85
He got what's coming to him. bluescribbler 10 hrs ago #89
She did a fine job. Swede 10 hrs ago #94
should have kicked him once more when he was down moonshinegnomie 10 hrs ago #103
It looks rehearsed. Omnipresent 10 hrs ago #105
"She allowed him...." MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #111
And if he came at her again when her back was against the wall, she could have been trapped. ShazzieB 5 hrs ago #151
Convince me this isn't staged misanthrope 10 hrs ago #106
Staged or scripted Tasmanian Devil 9 hrs ago #112
I don't care if it's staged or not. Dem_in_Nebr. 8 hrs ago #121
Yeah, even if it was staged or faked, I think it was informative. ShazzieB 9 min ago #187
And THAT is how it's done. Javaman 8 hrs ago #122
If i am alone on an elevator and a MineralMan 8 hrs ago #123
Used to be a tip of the Fedora. BidenRocks 3 hrs ago #173
I've watched the video a couple of times and IMO no jury would convict her LogDog75 7 hrs ago #136
FAFO Timewas 7 hrs ago #137
I also agree that no jury would convict her. HeartsCanHope 7 hrs ago #141
She was in an enclosed space with someone making unwanted advances, with no way to know how far he was going DFW 7 hrs ago #146
Right on. Tactical Peek 7 hrs ago #144
Not been Rebl2 7 hrs ago #148
Same here. And I did not get on an elevator if there was a lone man there. niyad 6 hrs ago #150
Think back to 2016 canetoad 5 hrs ago #155
That's about how old this staged video is. Hassin Bin Sober 4 hrs ago #162
Really? canetoad 4 hrs ago #163
I'll have to remember that move! ShazzieB 4 min ago #188
Women bdamomma 4 hrs ago #164
If real, she did exactly the right thing. chowmama 4 hrs ago #166
'Bought 9-10 years ago, my husband broke up a dude from hitting the dude's girlfriend. chouchou 3 hrs ago #172
She should have nailed him even more. Make him a eunuch. BigmanPigman 3 hrs ago #174
Good for her! ABC123Easy 2 hrs ago #176
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius 1 hr ago #177

3catwoman3

(28,970 posts)
1. Good on her!
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:11 PM
12 hrs ago

Maybe he'll think twice before trying that crap again.

Why do men (obviously not all) think it is OK to do this?

3catwoman3

(28,970 posts)
97. Well, yes, there is that.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:42 PM
10 hrs ago

I sometimes wonder if there was not some behavioral control gene that was on the part of the Y chromosome that looks like it broke off and that why the chromosome is smaller. The male of the species seems, generally speaking, to get into so much more trouble than women.

Torchlight

(6,568 posts)
34. What leads you to assert a momentarily lowered head removes all threat?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:09 PM
11 hrs ago
He never raised his head again after the kick to the crotch. He clearly was no longer a threat.

BidenRocks

(2,988 posts)
60. Are you really going to ask a sexual assault victim
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:38 PM
11 hrs ago

to show more restraint than ICE?

This threat is over when he is dead!

Sorry, he could get up looking to kill.

Victims are just that. If they lose their mind, fine.

They don't operate under ANY ROE.

If only E. Jean did that to chump!

niyad

(130,725 posts)
92. Perhaps quotation marks might have avoided confusion. I knew
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:38 PM
10 hrs ago

that you were quoting because I am still seething about the entire post from which you quoted.

ninjanurse

(126 posts)
133. You underestimate the danger she was in
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:17 PM
7 hrs ago

She still had to get out of that elevator and now he’s real mad. But since you’ll never have to face a threat like that you can keep explaining why she didn’t do it right.

niyad

(130,725 posts)
27. I am guessing that it must be difficult to be a woman within your circle of
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:00 PM
12 hrs ago

acquaintance, given your posted strict and narrow "legal"standards of what a woman is alllowed to do when she is being assaulted. Your posted repeated lack of care and concern for the safety and well-being of the intended victim in that video are duly noted, as is your clearly-evidenced concern for the assaulter. In case you did not notice, even after she struck him, he kept coming at her. She did not know if he was armed, what he was capable of doing, what he intended.

GOOD FOR HER!!! Since our laws are so fucking patriarchal, and rapists and rape protectors are now blatantly in charge, it seems like the only way we can protect ourselves is to be able to beat the crap out of anyone intent on harm. Apologists be damned.

Ilsa

(64,067 posts)
71. Nominated for best reply of the century. Maybe
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:06 PM
10 hrs ago

someone will do better in the next 74 years, but I doubt it.

He didn't simply harass her, he assaulted her by trying to grab her breast.

I wish someone had shown "El Jefe" in the WH who was boss 60 years ago.

Brenda

(1,979 posts)
138. Great response niyad
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:27 PM
7 hrs ago

Although I wonder if this happened in the US? Doesn't matter, the woman's response was EXCELLENT!

But about those "apologists" ... there are quite a few around here.

niyad

(130,725 posts)
140. Thank you. It took a bit to write calmly!
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:34 PM
7 hrs ago

From several posts downthread, Beijing, I believe.

Yes, sad to see the apologists here.

MineralMan

(150,921 posts)
69. The Asshole was groping a woman in an elevator.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:03 PM
11 hrs ago

I don't much care if she gave him a little more to think about. She left unharmed. When you're being attacked by someone who is bigger and stronger than you are, take the extra step to give you more time to escape.

I'm not a fighter. However, my father gave me some advice when I was a teenager. He said, "If some stranger physically attacks you, assume he's trying to kill you. Immobilize and stop him as quickly and effectively as you can. Then get the hell away from him."

I don't know who taught you about situations like she was in. She did the right thing for her safety. He'll survive.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,136 posts)
95. I agree
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:41 PM
10 hrs ago

And if she had a firearm with a 10-shot capacity and shot him 10 times, when asked by police why she shot him 10 times, the correct answer is, "I only had 10 bullets."

The bottom line is, he started it. She finished it. And in finishing it the way she did, she may have prevented other women from the same type of attack.

MineralMan

(150,921 posts)
101. Some people respond as if it's not the real world people live in.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:49 PM
10 hrs ago

In the real world, some strange man physically groping you in an elevator is a very dangerous assault if you are a woman. You have no idea what his intentions might be. Women, in general, are at a physical disadvantage in situations like that. Fortunately, she has apparently had some training in self defense. She used it to prevent any further assault and then exited the elevator ASAP.

She immobilized him and went one step further to make sure he could not attack her again. Perfectly justified in the circumstances. She escapes unharmed and he gets an object lesson through learning that not all women are helpless and weak. Perhaps, as you suggest, he will learn from this. I doubt it, though. Instead, he'll probably use more immediate force the next time.

I'm surprised that anyone is attempting to blame her for her actions. Screw that!

oberle

(319 posts)
169. Thank you for mentioning training in self defense
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 09:21 PM
3 hrs ago

I urge all women of any age to take self defense classes, or better yet, martial arts. It gives you the skills and the confidence to take on anything that happens.

kacekwl

(9,011 posts)
80. She made it quite clear after the 1st
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:18 PM
10 hrs ago

assault so to try again the gloves come off and being in a closed space nothing is overkill until that door opens and you're gone.

synni

(718 posts)
88. Nobody is immobilized by one woman's kick to the groin
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:33 PM
10 hrs ago

Unless she is very physically fit and trained in martial arts, she is simply not capable of incapacitating a man with a single kick. The fact that he was still standing indicates that he was still a threat. The only way she would know that he was no longer a threat would be if he hit the floor. She left as soon as he did.

ms liberty

(11,089 posts)
120. No it wasn't and her defense was exactly as women are trained to do when being assaulted
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:58 PM
9 hrs ago

Smack him hard in the face, kick him in the crotch and a quick, sharp knee to the head.
You disable and injure the attacker as much as possible in order to give yourself a chance to escape.
That woman was being sexualky assaulted in a small enclosed space. There was no being nice. There was survival or assault. She did exactly what she needed to do.

Sanity Claws

(22,370 posts)
10. Not from my viewpoint
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:20 PM
12 hrs ago

She was still stuck in a closed space with him and had to disable him. She left as soon as the door opened.

Torchlight

(6,568 posts)
20. You wholly ignore 'Reasonable Fear'
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:39 PM
12 hrs ago

And that she had zero opportunity to retreat.

The legal standard for self-defense allows individuals to use "reasonable, proportional force."

CrispyQ

(40,833 posts)
29. The fact that she was trapped & couldn't escape changed the situation, IMO.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:04 PM
12 hrs ago

That's what I'd argue as an attorney, & as a juror, I'd buy it, even if the judge said not to. Just sayin'. It was clear what his intent was & that he wasn't going to take her NO.

MineralMan

(150,921 posts)
74. And she reasoned that he needed a little more reason not to re-attack.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:07 PM
10 hrs ago

You're sounding a little strange about this situation. Why do you hold that woman who got groped in an elevator to such a standard?

Skittles

(170,345 posts)
183. if a guy touches me uninvited
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 12:37 AM
27 min ago

ALL BETS ARE OFF

hell, I smashed a guys toes with my combat boot just for something he SAID to me

Torchlight

(6,568 posts)
11. Sorry, he had ample opportunity to act in an adult and civil manner
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:24 PM
12 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Consequences are a tough thing for a lot of people to stand up to... he certainly couldn't.


Sorry, but from a legal standpoint, that's got to be excessive use of force.

The Blue Flower

(6,422 posts)
26. He wasn't going to stop
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:57 PM
12 hrs ago

He just wasn't going to get the point. Good for her. Leaving him incapacitated on the floor was her only recourse.

mcar

(45,832 posts)
161. She had every reason to believe he wouldn't stop
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 08:08 PM
4 hrs ago

She defended herself. The idea that she should have held back when he certainly wouldn't have is just bizarre.

irisblue

(37,133 posts)
23. Is there a legal limit on beating a potential rapist to the floor? I saw no blood, body parts were still attached
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:52 PM
12 hrs ago

IbogaProject

(5,715 posts)
25. Even if in a place with a "duty to flee"
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:56 PM
12 hrs ago

She was trapped with him and we don't know what he said during any of it.

Soul_of_Wit

(50 posts)
30. Not excessive at all
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:04 PM
12 hrs ago

He laid hands on her. They were in a confined space. If he was still capable of moving, then he deserved every blow. She retreated when she was able to do so. Defending oneself is a winner with juries almost every time.

leftstreet

(39,628 posts)
40. LOL don't you ever watch scary movies?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:19 PM
11 hrs ago

Audiences will tell you how often they yell at the heroine on the screen,

"No, no, don't just hit him and run away! He'll get back up!! Finish the fucker off"


leftstreet

(39,628 posts)
48. Sorry. Your post is just so tone deaf
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:25 PM
11 hrs ago

Debating a responsible level of aggression from a woman trapped in an elevator with a man who's put his hands on her

I mean

Torchlight

(6,568 posts)
59. What then is the precise point at which defense ends and aggression begins?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:38 PM
11 hrs ago

How is that defined, and does this apply to all circumstances or simply this one?




This is the problem. Self defense doesn't permit you to then become an aggressor.

Aristus

(71,919 posts)
93. It's not a free pass for anything.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:39 PM
10 hrs ago

But as long as a women is in an enclosed space with an aggressor, anything and everything is permissible for her to ensure her own safety. If a guy doesn't want to sustain massive bodily injury from a woman defending herself, he can make the rather easy choice to leave her alone, and not attack her.

I really thought it was less complicated than you are insisting on making it.

MontanaMama

(24,674 posts)
99. Unlimited aggression?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:43 PM
10 hrs ago

She absolutely had to disable him to the point where he didn't come back at her. If he had been able to do that, she might be dead. But thanks for mansplaining how she should have gone easy on this degenerate. Good grief.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,328 posts)
117. The problem is
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:31 PM
9 hrs ago
male entitlement.

Women are not playthings for men to do with whatever they want.

If he had shown some basic decency and respect and kept his filthy hands to himself, he wouldn't have gotten his ass beat.

Simple.

leftstreet

(39,628 posts)
58. Ah, correct!
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:38 PM
11 hrs ago

An important distinction, thank you.

Although clearly some people see aggression rather than self-defense and can instantly change the narrative.

(You're so sharp!)

niyad

(130,725 posts)
109. And I am so FUCKING PISSED at the misogynistic, patriarchal BS
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:03 PM
10 hrs ago

women have to contend with in defending ourselves in this culture of rapists, rapist protectors, and general woman-haters.

Tomorrow is V-Day, Ending Violence Against Women and Girls.One Billion Rising is a worldwide group trying to end this culture of woman-hating. One Billion stands for the ONE IN THREE FEMALES WORLDWIDE who will be the victim of sexual assault/violence. One female every two minutes is sexually assaulted in this country.

leftstreet

(39,628 posts)
110. Misogyny is Patriarchy's oxygen
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:09 PM
9 hrs ago

As you well know

Since so many people will keep breathing it without seeing it, your diligence and willingness to constantly expose it here is beyond valuable



niyad

(130,725 posts)
156. Very true. I don't wear hats, since my sunglasses are usually there if I
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:37 PM
5 hrs ago

am not actually wearing them. When Ii used to wear blazers, the hatpins were in the lapels!

We could talk about my purse!!!

niyad

(130,725 posts)
126. Sadly, you are overly optimistic about juries. I have seen too many
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:05 PM
7 hrs ago

cases where juries are patriarchal assholes, male and female. There are reasons so many women do not report assaults/rape., they know the horror they would be facing. Just look at some of the posts in this thread.

Dear_Prudence

(1,127 posts)
54. If she were a man...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:33 PM
11 hrs ago

How would a man have reacted if another man stalked him, menaced him, and laid hands on him in an enclosed space? I believe the perp would have had a broken nose in addition to the injuries the woman inflicted. Walk a mile in HER shoes...

Random Boomer

(4,394 posts)
56. Killing him would have been excessive use of force
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

Resoundingly disabling him (in the moment) was quite appropriate.

He approached her first and did not accept her rebuff. He then approached again and ESCALATED into assault by putting his hand on her in an enclosed space.

She neutralized him, but left him still alive. Sounds just about right to me.

fujiyamasan

(1,454 posts)
65. What legal standpoint?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:47 PM
11 hrs ago

Apparently this wasn’t even in the US.

This kind of weird shit could happen anywhere in the world to women. What I like is she didn’t stand around taking it.

fujiyamasan

(1,454 posts)
145. Not a problem
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:47 PM
7 hrs ago

I don’t know if this woman had any formal training but I think it’s smart for women to take self defense classes.

LuckyCharms

(22,224 posts)
68. She was trapped in a box with a man who assaulted her.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:00 PM
11 hrs ago

If she had killed him for it, she would have been justified.

I've told my wife that if she is ever in a situation like that where she can't get away, her goal is not to hurt the perpetrator, her goal is to kill him. With that mindset, her goal is to fight like she is fighting for her life, and she is not to stop until the person is unconscious. If he dies during that process, so be it. You want her to stop her self-defense when she is unsure if he could reach into his waistband at pull out a gun?

Her goal is to eliminate the threat to her. How is that woman supposed to know that the man is not armed with a gun or a knife?

He's lucky she didn't kill him.

You are expecting her to make a split second decision not to try to kill him when she is literally trapped? Unable to run? No help at all possible? She presumably is not an armed officer of the law. She's a WOMAN TRAPPED IN A CLOSED BOX WITH A MAN WHO PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED HER.

Can you see a jury convicting her?

I can't.




PeaceWave

(2,869 posts)
75. "If she had killed him for it, she would have been justified." - Sorry, but no, she would not have been justified.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:07 PM
10 hrs ago

I get the passion around the subject. But, folks need to understand that there is such a thing as taking a response too far.

PeaceWave

(2,869 posts)
86. No. I'm right and no amount of being upset at me (for raising the point) or the legal system (for being what it is)...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:30 PM
10 hrs ago

will change that fact. Nothing in this video warranted anyone taking anyone else's life. Now, how much physical harm short of death was warranted is subject to debate and is a roll of the dice that anyone put in a similar situation must make. The standard though - at least here in the U.S. - is that the forced used to defend yourself must be proportionate, as determined by a reasonable person.

Torchlight

(6,568 posts)
90. I think you're confusing rejections of your assertions with "being upset"
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:36 PM
10 hrs ago
No. I'm right and no amount of being upset at me...

LuckyCharms

(22,224 posts)
100. Oh, I'm not upset at all.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:44 PM
10 hrs ago

The goal is to eliminate a perceived threat.

The first and best option is to put distance between yourself and the threat.

That is not possible in an elevator, is it? Where are you going to run to in an elevator? To the other corner?

Are you going to scream for help in an elevator, when seconds matter?

How are you certain that a person who you are TRAPPED IN AN ELEVATOR WITH, WHO TRIED TO GRAB YOUR BREAST AND TOUCHED YOU TWICE, is not trying to kill you?

Even if this was staged, my point is that the woman had a split second to make a decision.

She stopped when she was able to escape. If the door was not able to be opened, she should have continued until he was dead, or old cold with certainty.

What if that elevator had another 40 floors to travel until the door was able to be opened? Still think she went too far?

niyad

(130,725 posts)
130. See post 27. Keep digging that hole, dear heart. It is such a good look for you.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:14 PM
7 hrs ago

For the sake of the female victim I hope you are never on a jury for any case involving assault, sexual assault, or rape.

FascismIsDeath

(109 posts)
189. If you are in that situation, you have every reason to believe someone is going to try and rape you.
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 01:05 AM
37 sec ago

Enough fucking said. If she accidentally killed him, I believe she would still be within her rights to self defense.

MontanaMama

(24,674 posts)
91. Nope.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:37 PM
10 hrs ago

If she hadn't disabled him, he wouldn't have stopped his assault and then where would she be? Regardless, she gets blamed for doing too much or not doing enough. He's fortunate to be alive.

ninjanurse

(126 posts)
134. Public Service Notice
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:21 PM
7 hrs ago

If you are ever attacked in an elevator and have to physically fight someone much stronger than yourself who has demonstrated an intention to harm you, do not worry that you might get in trouble for being too rough. Use the maximum force you are able to before running away. Like my Sensei said, it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried out by 6.

PatrickforB

(15,387 posts)
154. Not sure about this because she would surely have been in fear of her life. He assaulted her by
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:31 PM
5 hrs ago

putting his arm around her shoulder, and it was the second time he touched her without her permission. She's alone, she doesn't know him and he assaulted her. She defended herself appropriately because men tend to be stronger than women and she needed to disable him without permanently harming him, which two good kicks in the scrotum will do.

Jedi Guy

(3,451 posts)
178. Well, if that had gone to trial and she was in the dock on assault charges, and I were on the jury...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 11:18 PM
1 hr ago

I'd look at it like this. If he'd kept his hands to himself she wouldn't have kneed his testicles hard enough to introduce them to his diaphragm. I would vote to acquit, to put it bluntly. And I'd be willing to bet heavily I wouldn't be the only juror who had that outlook.

In another timeline he kept his hands to himself. You might say he didn't fuck around and thus didn't find out.

In our timeline, sadly, he evidently never learned not to touch people without their consent, which is a lesson most of us learn in early childhood. She simply delivered that lesson in a forceful manner. Pain can sometimes be a very effective teacher, so perhaps this young fellow has learned a valuable lesson, even if belatedly.

Furthermore, the young lady had no idea of his intention. Maybe he "only" intended to grope. Maybe he intended to do a hell of a lot worse. She had no way of knowing and, for her own safety, had to assume the worst possible outcome was on the table and act accordingly.

I get into elevators with women all the time in my office building. I don't put my hands on them and they don't hit me. Imagine that.

tblue37

(68,361 posts)
184. I don't think so. A man is bigger and stronger than a woman, so she would be justified in fearing that if she didn't
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 12:38 AM
27 min ago

incapacitate him he might seriously harm or even kill her.

MLAA

(19,693 posts)
6. She really dealt with that assaulter but hope she also called security and police to protect other less capable women.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:16 PM
12 hrs ago

Soul_of_Wit

(50 posts)
36. The fact that we are seeing the video...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:10 PM
11 hrs ago

...makes it likely that the incident was reported (or was seen live by security.)

Ping Tung

(4,263 posts)
19. He (and Trump) need a dictionary that explain what "No!" means.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

He didn't understand it the first time he grabbed her.

irisblue

(37,133 posts)
24. I wish more women/girls had more situational awareness.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 12:56 PM
12 hrs ago

From google

Situational awareness (SA) is the ability to perceive, understand, and predict environmental elements and events to make informed safety decisions. It involves monitoring surroundings to identify, analyze, and react to potential risks or hazards before they occur. Key components include perception (gathering data), comprehension (understanding meaning), and projection (anticipating future states).

niyad

(130,725 posts)
39. A friend asked me once why I do not use headphones when I am
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:14 PM
11 hrs ago

out and about. And I explained about SA. She had never heard of the concept. To my relief, she stopped using her headphones on her daily runs.

niyad

(130,725 posts)
35. I do not know whether this was staged (as I remember a similar video
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:09 PM
11 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:22 PM - Edit history (1)

having been), or real, but fucking assaulters need to understand that it is just possible that their intended victim just might be capable of kicking the crap out of them.

AND WE SHOULD BE TEACHING ALL FEMALES FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD ON TO BE ABLE TO DO EXACTLY THAT. At least, until the woman-haters in charge go back to physically limiting girls and women, as they have done for centuries.

Maj. Dude

(40 posts)
41. Excessive force,
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:19 PM
11 hrs ago

Could be said/used if she had CCW Permit and fired at him while he was doubled over tending to his hurt (testicles) feelings.
And she got out of there limiting her time with the creep.
I'd buy her her favorite beverage and laugh with her if she felt so inclined after a situation like that.
It would her choice of course, because that's the way I was raised.

flvegan

(66,019 posts)
46. This seems staged. However, IF this video teaches or inspires a woman to:
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:24 PM
11 hrs ago

1. be always aware
2. take up some form of defensive/offensive training, to then;
3. defend oneself by any means necessary, and;
4. finish your opponent and then escape as necessary

That said, if the video isn't/wasn't staged, that was quite the ass kicking. Flawless victory!

dickthegrouch

(4,413 posts)
55. There is a (possibly apocryphal) story from many years ago in the London tube
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 01:33 PM
11 hrs ago

Where a woman being assaulted in the crowded tube car, grabbed the man's hand, rapidly raised it high in the air and asked at the top of her lungs "To whom does this belong?"

Not possible in this situation, but a possibility for more public places. I am all for people de-escalating when they can, and defending themselves when they need to.

Srkdqltr

(9,570 posts)
79. Good for her. He has no business putting hands on her. She did excellent. Don't minimize.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:12 PM
10 hrs ago

Women need to know they should not put up with stuff like this.
Men should know there will be consequences.
None of this is cute or kidding. She did the absolutely right thing.

Tasmanian Devil

(86 posts)
81. Possibly fake video
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:24 PM
10 hrs ago

I am not an expert at fake videos, so I asked Gemini. You can obviously choose to believe or not, but remember just how much AI slop is taking over the Internet.

https://gemini.google.com

Any thoughts on if this video is faked?


And it responded that it was likely computer generated.

The video you're asking about is actually a high-quality **CGI (Computer-Generated Imagery) render**, not a real-life recording.

Here are the key reasons why it’s considered "faked" or, more accurately, digital art:

1. Visual "Perfection" : The lighting, shadows, and textures in the video are often slightly too smooth or consistent compared to real-world physics. Digital artists frequently use software like Unreal Engine 5 or Blender to create these hyper-realistic scenes, which can easily fool the eye on small smartphone screens.

2. Unnatural Camera Movement: If you look closely at the "handheld" camera shake, it often feels procedural—like a digital filter applied to a steady shot rather than the organic weight and momentum of a person holding a real camera.

3. Anomalies in Fine Detail: In these types of viral "is it real?" clips, you can often spot minor glitches (artifacts) where objects intersect, or where the reflections on surfaces don't perfectly match the surrounding environment.

4. The Source: This specific video has been widely circulated by accounts that specialize in showcasing "vibe" or "dreamcore" CGI environments. These artists create these short loops specifically to trigger a "liminal space" feeling or to test how realistic their rendering engines can get.

Verdict: It is a **digital creation**. While it's an impressive technical feat of 3D modeling and rendering, it does not exist in the physical world.

MineralMan

(150,921 posts)
104. Nope. That is a camera mounted in the ceiling of the elevator car.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:58 PM
10 hrs ago

Look up next time you're in an elevator in a public building. There's a security camera up there, and it records continuously.

Gemini is just a freaking AI talking machine. It actually knows nothing. Again, look up next time you're in an elevator. And smile, you're on video.

orleans

(36,765 posts)
168. well, i guess i could smile at the camera next time i'm in an elevator -- but i don't think it'll show up very good
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 09:16 PM
3 hrs ago

under my mask

(i always wear a mask in public indoor places)



Liberal In Texas

(16,116 posts)
107. Looks fake to me. There's a lot of this stuff getting posted in the "reels"
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:00 PM
10 hrs ago

or on TikTok. It's amateur TV production. By claiming it's real video they can get more clicks and more people passing it on. Like here.

PeaceWave

(2,869 posts)
116. Well done. It falls into the same category then as that bear in the forest question...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:27 PM
9 hrs ago

Simply something intended to stir up animus between the genders as we head into the primaries.

Brenda

(1,979 posts)
147. Wut?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:50 PM
7 hrs ago

Simply stirring up animus between genders?

You mean a video showing public assault of a woman by a man is just a political ploy? You do know that millions of women are sexually assaulted in every country every fucking day, right?

What do the primaries nine months from now have to do with the video being posted now?

Brenda

(1,979 posts)
143. And the only rec for this post calling it AI slop is
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:44 PM
7 hrs ago

the only one in this thread saying she is using excessive force.

In what country and by what legal standard?


Tasmanian Devil

(86 posts)
153. Please ...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:27 PM
5 hrs ago

I'm not saying attacking women in elevators is ok or that women don't have every right to fight back! I just have a negative reaction to clickbait and manipulation. To me (and I think a few others on this thread), this video appears to be to be a poorly choreographed fight scene, badly rendered by AI.

My purpose in pointing this out is to just try and raise the skepticism level on DU a little bit. Fake memes and AI slop is not helping.

Liberal In Texas

(16,116 posts)
149. It's fake. They're both amateur actors. Made to be click-bait and passed all over social media.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:55 PM
7 hrs ago

Lots of this kind of thing popping up like in FB reels and TikTok.

the nelm

(255 posts)
170. Fake or not, if only something like that had happened to a convicted 34-count...
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 09:44 PM
3 hrs ago

felon a few times in his life he might have learned something. Then again, self-entitled brat that he is, likely not.

Omnipresent

(7,357 posts)
105. It looks rehearsed.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 02:59 PM
10 hrs ago

She kept her back to him twice.
It’s safer to keep your back to an elevator wall, to see where anyone is. She allowed him to creep up behind her twice.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,328 posts)
111. "She allowed him...."
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:19 PM
9 hrs ago

Sure.

If she had done as you suggested, she'd have been trapped in the back corner.

Staying close to the elevator doors was smart.

ShazzieB

(22,368 posts)
151. And if he came at her again when her back was against the wall, she could have been trapped.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:13 PM
5 hrs ago

Thanks but no thanks!

I mean, I think it depends. Positioning herself with her back to the wall when she first got on, yeah. He would have probably been less likely to anything if he'd had to walk up to her with her facing him. Also, I can see that turning her back on him once he made the first move wasn't a great idea. But backing up to the wall at that point could have gotten her trapped, so I think staying vigilant and being ready to respond as needed was a reasonable strategy at that point.

[EDIT:This comment has been edited because I got confused about who I was replying to at the time. I was on my phone, and I got lost in this long complicated thread trying to follow it on that tiny screen.]

misanthrope

(9,436 posts)
106. Convince me this isn't staged
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:00 PM
10 hrs ago

Every move she used on him looks like those used in staged fighting for audiences and cameras.

Tasmanian Devil

(86 posts)
112. Staged or scripted
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 03:19 PM
9 hrs ago

The action looked comic-book level fake to me. My wager would be that Gemini is correct and this is computer generated. I thought it looked a lot like something I'd expect in a video game. But who knows, clickbait is everywhere.

Dem_in_Nebr.

(340 posts)
121. I don't care if it's staged or not.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 04:25 PM
8 hrs ago

Bottom line, women: this is how it's done.

I don't know whether call Ladies or Women.

ShazzieB

(22,368 posts)
187. Yeah, even if it was staged or faked, I think it was informative.
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 12:56 AM
9 min ago

I initially wondered if it was some sort of training video showing women how we can defend ourselves in a situation like that..

MineralMan

(150,921 posts)
123. If i am alone on an elevator and a
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 04:42 PM
8 hrs ago

Woman enters. I just say "Hi." Then I step to the front of the car opposite from the floor number buttons.

That's it. When I get to my floor, I step out and walk away.

I'm always aware that I might seem threatening in that situation.

LogDog75

(1,184 posts)
136. I've watched the video a couple of times and IMO no jury would convict her
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:23 PM
7 hrs ago

She was in a closed space with and being sexually assaulted. She hit him with a closed hand and almost sent him to the floor. He got up and took a step towards her. At that moment, he still posed a threat to her and she had the right to defend herself. She kicked him in the groin and he bent over, but not incapacitated, but he was still a danger to her so she kneed him in the head which sent him to the floor. At that point, he was no longer a threat and she was able to leave the elevator immediately when the doors opened.

Her movements look practices so I suspect that lady had some type of defensive training by the way she kicked him in the groin and then kneed him in the head.

HeartsCanHope

(1,571 posts)
141. I also agree that no jury would convict her.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:37 PM
7 hrs ago

She was sexually assaulted, alone in a closed space with the assailant, and I feel, took the steps

necessary to keep him from hurting her further. Kudos to her for standing up for herself.

DFW

(59,902 posts)
146. She was in an enclosed space with someone making unwanted advances, with no way to know how far he was going
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:48 PM
7 hrs ago

So, maybe he didn't have a knife or a taser. She shouldn't have to wait to find out.

Rebl2

(17,558 posts)
148. Not been
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 05:51 PM
7 hrs ago

On elevator in long while, but if I was the only woman on an elevator, and a man got on , I got off. That’s been years ago though.

canetoad

(20,461 posts)
155. Think back to 2016
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:31 PM
5 hrs ago

And how great it would have been if Hillary had done that to tsf when he lurked behind her at the debate.

canetoad

(20,461 posts)
163. Really?
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 08:25 PM
4 hrs ago

Can't believe I haven't seen it before, but there ya go.

Still, it's not an impossible situation. I've been forced to twist a guy's knackers till his eyes watered for grabbing my arse in a work situation. And I can give you his name if necessary.

ShazzieB

(22,368 posts)
188. I'll have to remember that move!
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 01:01 AM
4 min ago

I don't think I'd be able to put much force behind a kick, and that's if I didn't miss the target altogether. Twisting is much more my style!

chowmama

(1,044 posts)
166. If real, she did exactly the right thing.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 08:59 PM
4 hrs ago

And if staged/AI, it's a good training example.

He went from harassment to assault quickly and wasn't going to back off on his own. Small room, no escape, nobody coming to help. In self-defense classes, women are told to do whatever it takes to get free and able to escape and then run like hell. That's what she did.

She had no idea what he might have been on. She had no idea if he was armed with a gun or a garrote, duct tape, zip ties, or handcuffs. She had to incapacitate him until the doors opened. If they're delayed or jammed, and he starts to recover, she's dead. He's now aware that she'll fight, so she's lost the element of surprise. He's going to fight her as if she were a man; likely he has a longer reach and more muscle mass to do it with. Not many people have the expertise to counteract those advantages. And he's now pissed as hell, with all the corresponding adrenaline. Adrenaline can temporarily dull pain, for him as well as for her.

If those doors hadn't opened, she'd have been within her rights to go further.

chouchou

(2,965 posts)
172. 'Bought 9-10 years ago, my husband broke up a dude from hitting the dude's girlfriend.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 09:46 PM
3 hrs ago

YES..He Broke up the dude. Busting his arm. My Sweetheart !

BigmanPigman

(54,837 posts)
174. She should have nailed him even more. Make him a eunuch.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 10:03 PM
3 hrs ago

You KNOW he has done this before and will do it again. Too bad she wasn't carrying a knife to make sure this would be his last assault.

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