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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRand Paul did the right thing today. I feel faint
Source-https://www.npr.org/2026/02/12/nx-s1-5707281/senate-dhs-oversight-hearing#:~:text=Thursday's%20oversight%20hearing%20by%20the,That's%20an%20escalatory%20thing.%22
Snip-Thursday's oversight hearing by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security began with a rebuke by Chairman Rand Paul, R-Ky., who asked leaders from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to watch frame-by-frame video of the events leading up to the death of 37-year-old Alex Pretti.
Paul then asked the officials if the use of force on display in the video from women being shoved, the close use of pepper spray, to the ultimate shots fired at Pretti by Border Patrol were justified tactics. And he asked if any of the actions were "deescalatory."
"It's clearly evident that the public trust has been lost. To restore trust in ICE and Border Patrol, they must admit their mistakes, be honest and forthright with their rules of engagement and pledge to reform," Paul said in his opening remarks.
"It's terrible police work, but there has to ultimately be repercussions. I think he [Pretti] is retreating at every moment," Paul said. "He's trying to get away, and he's being sprayed in the face. I don't think that's de-escalatory. That's an escalatory thing."
irisblue
(37,702 posts)Well it is surprising
Volaris
(11,769 posts)And Rand has always been just that kind of nuts.
The PRESENCE of a big govt goon squad is gonna have rand running on small govt and 2nd Amendment shit, and he could give half a fuck it's a Republican Govt....because Rand happens to ALSO BE, one of the few Legit Libertarians that can UNDERSTAND POLLS.
he IS crazy, I don't want anyone thinking he's gonna get my vote lol..but as long as we both think this govt is out of control, he can say what he wants and I'll keep my mouth shut and nod, and keep momentarily unnecessary opinions to myself.
FakeNoose
(42,091 posts)... maybe for the wrong reasons, but at least they are saying things we can find acceptable.
Sometimes ...
popsdenver
(2,478 posts)these people now coming forth, are becoming "awakened" to what is currently taking place in the U.S.........Of course, please remember, that they have all been totally silent, and/or enabling all the decade's worth of shit that got us to this place in time........
DJ Synikus Makisimus
(1,438 posts)as opposed to joining (most) democrats to not fund DHS under present conditions.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1192/vote_119_2_00038.htm
Bayard
(30,056 posts)AZ8theist
(7,513 posts)Color me unsurprised.
leftstreet
(41,145 posts)Get the government out of our lives!
Also:
The government should outlaw abortion!
Wouldn't actual libertarians, champions of reduced government spending, be calling to ABOLISH ICE?
AZ8theist
(7,513 posts)RockRaven
(19,641 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,805 posts)twodogsbarking
(19,130 posts)Fil1957
(784 posts)Now if Mike Johnson or Tommy Tuberville ever did something like that, it would be HUGE news.
Nasruddin
(1,290 posts)Maybe it's time to march on Vicksburg where Gen'l Johnson is holed up.
Jose Garcia
(3,530 posts)Wednesdays
(22,940 posts)Here's a pro-Confederate recruiting poster, 1861:

malthaussen
(18,601 posts)Kentucky tried to maintain a "neutral" stance at the beginning of the Civil War, then abandoned it once they were invaded by the CSA -- which was precisely the reason the USA didn't invade them first. I wouldn't say Kentucky "came close" to joining the CSA, and the ghost of Cassius Clay would probably like to have words with you -- at the point of a Bowie knife.
-- Mal
efhmc
(16,883 posts)Some Texans took to the hills (many Germans/Texans who came here to get away from mandatory conscription which could last for 20 years.) There is a book about this which I can now longer find. Maybe the next time I go to Fredericksburg. Not a lot of hills around those parts but you get my meaning.
RetiredParatrooper
(198 posts)Twice.
FTG.
CarolinaNC
(151 posts)generalbetrayus
(1,940 posts)He can stand up and do the right thing at times, like Goldwater sitting down with Tricky Dick and telling him it was time to go, but for both of them, "in your guts, you know he's nuts".
efhmc
(16,883 posts)Unless you are small child who took your siblings' lollypop and are eating it. Then the evidence will soon be gone.