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msongs

(73,086 posts)
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 07:21 PM Dec 29

the rent economy - most destructive scam from corporate america. and it's not just renting houses..

most things you bought, then possessed, then owned forever (or until it dies), are now rented/leased including your tech stuff. scary.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/12/29/2360514/-Nothing-Is-Ours-Anymore-Is-the-Rental-Economy-the-Most-Destructive-Scam-in-US-Capitalism

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the rent economy - most destructive scam from corporate america. and it's not just renting houses.. (Original Post) msongs Dec 29 OP
Thanks! An excellent, and quick, read. TheRickles Dec 29 #1
Yep. Rent cars, annual software subscriptions, etc.... Raven123 Dec 29 #2
I think most people benefit from software and entertainment subscriptions newdeal2 Dec 29 #3
Thanks for your take on it. reACTIONary Dec 29 #10
Gamers nexus just released an excelkent video on this SheltieLover Dec 29 #4
I don't call them "apps". I call them "leechware." n/t TygrBright Dec 29 #5
The extraction economy is sucking working folks dry jmbar2 Dec 29 #6
People - learn to embrace and support open source for your operating systems, apps. erronis Dec 29 #7
I support Open Source, but I also run Windows... slightlv Dec 29 #8
I use Open Office (aka Office Libre) on Windows and have no problems... reACTIONary Dec 29 #11
I am impressed with Libre Skittles Dec 29 #13
At work, we use the MS suite.... reACTIONary Dec 29 #15
I hear you Skittles Dec 30 #17
When I need something that my old software slightlv Dec 30 #18
yeah I had that 10 buck copy from work, used it for years Skittles Dec 30 #19
You can still The Bopper Dec 29 #14
One thing the news didn't tell you about Black Friday this year: Initech Dec 29 #9
You've nabbed it! some_of_us_are_sane Dec 29 #12
thanks for all the responses. Im still using stand alone software versions, no subcriptions at all like msongs Dec 29 #16
From a corporate perspective fujiyamasan Dec 30 #20

Raven123

(7,563 posts)
2. Yep. Rent cars, annual software subscriptions, etc....
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 07:47 PM
Dec 29

Anyone could see this coming. A continuous revenue stream with very little work. Nice an profitable.

newdeal2

(4,812 posts)
3. I think most people benefit from software and entertainment subscriptions
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 08:01 PM
Dec 29

The old physical model had a lot of restrictions and drawbacks that people seemingly forgot about.

jmbar2

(7,651 posts)
6. The extraction economy is sucking working folks dry
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 08:33 PM
Dec 29

It can't keep going on much longer. Thanks for sharing the article.

erronis

(22,692 posts)
7. People - learn to embrace and support open source for your operating systems, apps.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 08:41 PM
Dec 29

There are alternatives and usually better ones that are maintained by the community vs. being locked in by corporations.

I've been working at getting some older folks into using Linux on their laptops/desktops. None of them wanted to go back to Windows or Apple.

Smart phones are possible to move but a lot harder/riskier since the "owners" have learned how to do the "lock-in" better.

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
8. I support Open Source, but I also run Windows...
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 08:56 PM
Dec 29

and rather than subscriptions to the latest and greatest versions of my software, I'm perfectly happy using my old software... it was bought and paid for and came with no "subscription" needs. Of course, I DO keep my antivirus and antimalware software up to date, and run on a frequent basis. But I can see the reason for subscriptions on that type of software... the entire paradigm changes on a near constant basis as the script kiddies and others up their games.

My old Word (the last one before they went to Subscription) does everything I need, as does my Excel. I will admit I'm no longer a power user on any of this software, simply because I'm now retired and my needs are more simplistic. Knowing when what you've got is "enough" is one of the hardest things we have to adjust to, IMO. And that's not just in software, but in all things... I believe people would be a lot happier if they made do with "enough" and not kept hoping for "more." But, at 70, I'm at the age when I'm looking at downsizing on a lot of issues and "things"... things look different from my view vs those younger than me.

reACTIONary

(6,986 posts)
11. I use Open Office (aka Office Libre) on Windows and have no problems...
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 09:48 PM
Dec 29

... With MS Office documents.

Skittles

(169,647 posts)
13. I am impressed with Libre
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:34 PM
Dec 29

I absolutely refuse most subscriptions, I am NOT paying monthly for Microsoft Outlook or Office, NOPE.

reACTIONary

(6,986 posts)
15. At work, we use the MS suite....
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:05 PM
Dec 29

..... and, although I don't know the cost to the organization, I can say it greatly improves my productivity over what I could achieve, in that environment, with Open Office Libre. But for use outside of work, the open suite is not just adequate or make do, it is exactly what I actually need and the price is right.

So I am not paying, neither upfront nor monthly, for MS Office, NOPE.

Same with Photoshop. I use GIMP. I've used Photoshop both at work and at home. It's absolutely the tops. If I was a real pro I might go for it, but GIMP is very, very good and more than I actually need. And, again, the price is right.

Skittles

(169,647 posts)
17. I hear you
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:10 AM
Dec 30

yes absolutely MS was better for work stuff (I worked in IT) but in retirement I am finding I very much prefer workarounds to most subscription stuff

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
18. When I need something that my old software
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:33 AM
Dec 30

doesn't provide, Libre is what I go to, as well. I had an ace in the hole with MS, tho... I've never paid a retail cost for it. For schools, government agencies, etc., there used to be a program that allowed you to buy the latest copy for $10.00. THAT was where I bought my (now old) copy. Even under this program, I refused to buy into the subscription routine. I don't like "leasing" things... not cars and certainly not software. To me, what you can "connect to" can easily be what you "can no longer connect to" at the whim of someone you've never nor will ever see. I feel the same way about right to repair. If I bought something out right, then I should be able to fix it, repair it, or change it as I see fit (the latter perhaps diminished by no right to "sell" the copy with changes.. but I can understand the authorship issues inherent in that.).

Skittles

(169,647 posts)
19. yeah I had that 10 buck copy from work, used it for years
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:49 AM
Dec 30

I ditched it when I upgraded to Windows 11, it was a very old copy by then

The Bopper

(277 posts)
14. You can still
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:03 PM
Dec 29

Get your own version to own on Word et al., they don't have all the newest stuff, but still work well.

Initech

(107,476 posts)
9. One thing the news didn't tell you about Black Friday this year:
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 09:33 PM
Dec 29

Yeah sure it was a "retail miracle", but if you read the fine print, so many people put their shit on payment plans it wasn't funny.

If you need a payment plan to pay for $110 worth of stuff, that's not a sign of economic prosperity. That's a sign something is truly, deeply wrong.

Yet you'll never hear about it on the news because the cult and Fuckface himself have the media wrapped around their finger, and he will scream and whine if anything bad is said about him.

msongs

(73,086 posts)
16. thanks for all the responses. Im still using stand alone software versions, no subcriptions at all like
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:23 PM
Dec 29

photoshop elements, corel, and more

fujiyamasan

(1,234 posts)
20. From a corporate perspective
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:26 AM
Dec 30

monthly cash flow is somewhat predictable and steady income. The benefits for the software as a service model (for example with office 365) was never really for consumers. It was pitched for B2B because from the business customer perspective, SAAS also helped to lighten the IT infrastructure burden and it was shift from capex to opex (preferred by shareholders).

For the average consumer, the shift hasn’t been ideal. For Microsoft (or Adobe) it has helped combat piracy since they’re not dealing with key codes getting distributed with bootleg soft copies. No one ever paid attention to the “one physical copy installed per user machine” EULA anyways. People bought the software and installed it on as many computers they had. Now, if you’re not subscribed, you can’t use the software.

As for everything else (homes and cars in particular), leasing/renting became more common simply due to the large cost of the goods themselves. The next shift with cars is that even features will be a service, since more functions are software controlled. You want heated seats? Well that’ll be $x per month. You get the idea.

I’ve seen proposals to get private equity out of ownership. Good luck with that. I’ve rented homes in the past where even private landlords used an LLC. It’s easy to create a shell corp.

I don’t think the effort here should stop though. Large scale corporate ownership of single family homes is a major long term threat to home ownership in this country. It could also be politically smart for democrats to build a populist position on this. It’s especially problematic for mobile home parks.

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