Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThousands of Washington state (& AZ, OH, OK, NJ, TX) Medicare users could soon have claims denied by AI
https://www.kuow.org/stories/thousands-of-washington-state-medicare-users-could-soon-have-claims-denied-by-ai-snip-
Washington state has more than 1.5 million Medicare enrollees, just over half of whom are enrolled in traditional Medicare (51%). Until now, people with traditional Medicare have not been required to get prior authorization for most services. That means they can see specialists, visit hospitals, and receive out-of-state care without asking for permission first.
The federal agency that runs Medicare, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, has hired private companies in each pilot state Washington, Arizona, Ohio, Oklahoma, New Jersey, and Texas who will use AI tools to determine whether traditional Medicare patients qualify for certain procedures.
The list includes nerve stimulation to treat various ailments, steroid injections for pain management, cervical fusion, arthroscopic knee surgery, diagnosis and treatment of impotence, and certain skin and tissue substitutes.
AI companies will be paid a portion of the savings from claims they deny or, as the Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction plan puts it, compensated based on a share of averted expenditures.
-snip-
Washington state has more than 1.5 million Medicare enrollees, just over half of whom are enrolled in traditional Medicare (51%). Until now, people with traditional Medicare have not been required to get prior authorization for most services. That means they can see specialists, visit hospitals, and receive out-of-state care without asking for permission first.
The federal agency that runs Medicare, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, has hired private companies in each pilot state Washington, Arizona, Ohio, Oklahoma, New Jersey, and Texas who will use AI tools to determine whether traditional Medicare patients qualify for certain procedures.
The list includes nerve stimulation to treat various ailments, steroid injections for pain management, cervical fusion, arthroscopic knee surgery, diagnosis and treatment of impotence, and certain skin and tissue substitutes.
AI companies will be paid a portion of the savings from claims they deny or, as the Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction plan puts it, compensated based on a share of averted expenditures.
-snip-
Full list of these supposedly "low value" items and services here:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/07/01/2025-12195/medicare-program-implementation-of-prior-authorization-for-select-services-for-the-wasteful-and#p-29
Beginning January 1, 2026, the prior authorization process under this model will be implemented in the selected states on the following items and services with affiliated NCDs or LCDs:
Electrical Nerve Stimulators (NCD 160.7)
Sacral Nerve Stimulation for Urinary Incontinence (NCD 230.18)
Phrenic Nerve Stimulator (NCD 160.19)
Deep Brain Stimulation for Essential Tremor and Parkinson's Disease (NCD 160.24)
Vagus Nerve Stimulation (NCD 160.18)
Induced Lesions of Nerve Tracts (NCD 160.1)
Epidural Steroid Injections for Pain Management excluding facet joint injections (L39015, L33906, L39036, L39240, L39242, L36920, L38994, L39054)
Percutaneous Vertebral Augmentation (PVA) for Vertebral Compression Fracture (VCF) (L33569, L34106, L34228, L38201, L34976, L35130, L38737, L38213)
Cervical Fusion (L39741, L39799, L39770, L39758, L39762, L39793, L39773, L39788)
Arthroscopic Lavage and Arthroscopic Debridement for the Osteoarthritic Knee (NCD 150.9)
Hypoglossal Nerve Stimulation for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (L38276, L38307, L38398, L38387, L38310, L38312, L38385, L38528)
Incontinence Control Devices (NCD 230.10)
Diagnosis and Treatment of Impotence (NCD 230.4)
Percutaneous Image-Guided Lumbar Decompression for Spinal Stenosis (NCD 150.13)
Skin and Tissue Substitutes (LCDs below)only applicable to MAC jurisdictions and states that have an active LCD in place
++ Application of Bioengineered Skin Substitutes to Lower Extremity Chronic Non-Healing Wounds (L35041)
++ Wound Application of Cellular and/or Tissue Based Products (CTPs), Lower Extremities (L36690)
Electrical Nerve Stimulators (NCD 160.7)
Sacral Nerve Stimulation for Urinary Incontinence (NCD 230.18)
Phrenic Nerve Stimulator (NCD 160.19)
Deep Brain Stimulation for Essential Tremor and Parkinson's Disease (NCD 160.24)
Vagus Nerve Stimulation (NCD 160.18)
Induced Lesions of Nerve Tracts (NCD 160.1)
Epidural Steroid Injections for Pain Management excluding facet joint injections (L39015, L33906, L39036, L39240, L39242, L36920, L38994, L39054)
Percutaneous Vertebral Augmentation (PVA) for Vertebral Compression Fracture (VCF) (L33569, L34106, L34228, L38201, L34976, L35130, L38737, L38213)
Cervical Fusion (L39741, L39799, L39770, L39758, L39762, L39793, L39773, L39788)
Arthroscopic Lavage and Arthroscopic Debridement for the Osteoarthritic Knee (NCD 150.9)
Hypoglossal Nerve Stimulation for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (L38276, L38307, L38398, L38387, L38310, L38312, L38385, L38528)
Incontinence Control Devices (NCD 230.10)
Diagnosis and Treatment of Impotence (NCD 230.4)
Percutaneous Image-Guided Lumbar Decompression for Spinal Stenosis (NCD 150.13)
Skin and Tissue Substitutes (LCDs below)only applicable to MAC jurisdictions and states that have an active LCD in place
++ Application of Bioengineered Skin Substitutes to Lower Extremity Chronic Non-Healing Wounds (L35041)
++ Wound Application of Cellular and/or Tissue Based Products (CTPs), Lower Extremities (L36690)
15 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Thousands of Washington state (& AZ, OH, OK, NJ, TX) Medicare users could soon have claims denied by AI (Original Post)
highplainsdem
12 hrs ago
OP
Musk said there would be savings with AI. Paying AI companies based on not approving treatments
highplainsdem
11 hrs ago
#3
A computer at an AI company that earns more when it approves fewer treatments.
highplainsdem
11 hrs ago
#4
The harm done by AI isn't inevitable, unless people fall the AI hype that it can't be stopped. We've
highplainsdem
8 hrs ago
#10
ck4829
(37,294 posts)1. That must be that innovation in the US healthcare system I hear so much about
highplainsdem
(59,208 posts)3. Musk said there would be savings with AI. Paying AI companies based on not approving treatments
will certainly save money...by hurting countless people.
Lovie777
(21,303 posts)2. A computer deciding what you can and cannot qualify for?
this is total bullshit.
highplainsdem
(59,208 posts)4. A computer at an AI company that earns more when it approves fewer treatments.
RazorbackExpat
(817 posts)14. HAL is becoming real-life
getagrip_already
(17,791 posts)5. So much for hating death panels....
Now it's death by ai.
anciano
(2,072 posts)6. At this point there doesn't seem to be
any realistic way to put the genie back in the lamp....
highplainsdem
(59,208 posts)10. The harm done by AI isn't inevitable, unless people fall the AI hype that it can't be stopped. We've
managed harrmful tech before.
MagickMuffin
(18,036 posts)7. Perhaps that's why I was denied services
Texan here. My doctor authorized a specialist and I got denied.
anciano
(2,072 posts)8. Original Medicare or Medicare Advantage?
MagickMuffin
(18,036 posts)11. Original not non advantage coverage
We did our research before deciding on what plan to choose.
anciano
(2,072 posts)13. I am surprised that you had a problem with Original Medicare...
I have Original myself. But regarding AI going forward, it is now an irreversable part of daily life and everyone eventually will be dealing with the reality of an AI algorithm making their health care decisions for them regardless of what coverage they may have.
highplainsdem
(59,208 posts)9. The program isn't supposed to start till January 1.
MagickMuffin
(18,036 posts)12. Well this is Texas, Abbott probably fast tracked it
Anything to deny healthcare to us. More for them.
sakabatou
(45,595 posts)15. Nothing like AI trying to circumvent the ACA