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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,594 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:27 PM 12 hrs ago

Bitcoin Rout Picks Up Steam as Investors Fret Over a New 'Crypto Winter'

The rout in cryptocurrency is intensifying.

Bitcoin tumbled more than 6% on Monday, its biggest one-day drop since March. The world’s largest digital currency traded at $85,468 as of 4 p.m. Eastern time in New York, and is down more than 30% from a peak above $126,000 set in early October. The selloff has spilled into other digital coins, including ether and solana, and pulled down stocks tied to the crypto market such as exchange operator Coinbase Global and Strategy, Michael Saylor’s bitcoin-accumulation company.

Bitcoin and other digital tokens have been caught up in a broader decline afflicting riskier trades across all markets. Unprofitable technology businesses, speculative shell companies and meme stocks have all fallen out of favor in recent months. Investors are dialing down their risk exposure as they turn more pessimistic about the market and the economy, said Patrick Horsman, chief investment officer at crypto-treasury firm BNB Plus.

”I think we could see bitcoin get all the way back to $60,000,” Horsman said of bitcoin. “We don’t think the pain is over.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/bitcoin-rout-picks-up-steam-as-investors-fret-over-a-new-crypto-winter/ar-AA1Rw9JE

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fujiyamasan

(1,031 posts)
2. Yes, as with any of these financial stories one day makes a big difference
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:35 PM
12 hrs ago

Especially with something as volatile as crypto.

Who knows where it goes tomorrow. It could be up another 10% or down 20. It’s not based on anything of value anyways. It’s all just rumor and speculation.

Personally, I had a very small stake in Bitcoin, but realized I would much rather put my money in entities that create value — companies that create products or sell services.

WSHazel

(625 posts)
7. Owning crypto is simply buying correlated volatility
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:21 PM
12 hrs ago

This asset does not generate any cash flow, only has inherent value as a tool to launder money and pay criminals, and its high value violates virtually every tenet of portfolio theory. Its value at this point is because people want it to be valuable, but I guess you could say the same about Tesla.

SWBTATTReg

(25,916 posts)
8. You might as well add gold, silver, etc. too. They don't generate anything either other than what people think it's
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:48 PM
11 hrs ago

worth. All in the minds of people and no inherit value.

RazorbackExpat

(817 posts)
13. Gold and silver have always had inherent value
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:11 PM
6 hrs ago

They also have many properties that make them useful for a variety of applications, such as jewelry, electronics, dentistry-- even space exploration.

AZJonnie

(2,475 posts)
4. If I had my way its value would plummet to $0, and everyone who created it would be brought up on counterfeiting charges
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:38 PM
12 hrs ago

With a Special Circumstances charge of "crimes against humanity".

But, I seldom get my way

get the red out

(13,898 posts)
5. I think of these "coins" as similar to Monopoly money
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:51 PM
12 hrs ago

It's great if you have enough to buy Boardwalk and Parkplace on the game board, but it isn't currency that is based on value in the real world.

I am 61 so maybe I am mistaken about what constitutes "real" currency, like being backed by nations.

I might consider investing in "Monopoly $ Coin" though, I loved that game as a kid.

AZJonnie

(2,475 posts)
6. It's worse than that because every "coin" exists purely because energy was profligately WASTED
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:11 PM
12 hrs ago

instead of being put to use making something of actual value. It's literally destroying something valuable and then declaring that destruction itself is inherently valuable. It's like declaring your house has gone up in value because you burned it to ground, IOW.

WarGamer

(18,176 posts)
10. Anything mined before 2018 used very little energy...
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 06:54 PM
10 hrs ago

In 2010, a laptop could mine a handful every few hours.

AZJonnie

(2,475 posts)
12. Fair enough but more recently it's usage is about the level of Poland, Norway, or Australia
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 08:50 PM
8 hrs ago

And it's the principle that annoys me more than anything. The "money supply" for a country is supposed to track at least somewhat with the value of the goods and services and natural resources and real estate and investments and all that. Outright destruction of energy resources should not be considered something with intrinsic "value". It's the opposite of what "money" should represent and IMHO its existence sets a bad precedent.

Granted, it's not hugely different from the way we put value on gold, but at least that's an actual real thing, with some utility (not really in accordance with its $ value, but at least some, and people put value on gold jewelry, for example). Bitcoin isn't even THAT, it's just saying "I wasted energy, polluted the atmosphere, raised other people's electricity rates, and produced NOTHING ... but hey, that's worth real money!".

Bah Humbug I say!

Midnight Writer

(25,051 posts)
11. This is the currency our tech bro billionaires want to replace the American dollar.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 07:14 PM
10 hrs ago

Can you imagine your money jumping up in value 10% one day, down 12% the next, then up 5%, up 2%, down 8%?

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