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mysteryowl

(7,816 posts) Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:54 PM Monday

White House says second strike on vessel was legal and conducted in 'self defense' amid scrutiny - live

Self Defense!! No one believes that.
How could it be self defense against a fishing boat.
Liars!!

Live online stream from white house presser at below link.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/dec/01/donald-trump-pete-hegseth-caribbean-boats-venezuela-immigration-us-politics-latest-news-updates

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White House says second strike on vessel was legal and conducted in 'self defense' amid scrutiny - live (Original Post) mysteryowl Monday OP

Self defense against a fishing boat? Were they throwing harpoons? Ocelot II Monday #1

Plus, they have not said what happened against the US from that target mysteryowl Monday #2

Self defense against 2 people hanging on to a burning boat for dear life..got it. Deuxcents Monday #3

exactly! That 2nd missile mysteryowl Monday #5

2 individuals are clinging to the wreckage of a boat that was just blown apart by MarineCombatEngineer Monday #4

This admin's credibility, even if only a sliver of it was left, is bankrupt. Heads should roll from the top down Deuxcents Monday #6

This is starting to blow up spectacularly against Pedonald and Kegsbreath, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #7

Two guys bobbing in the water, hanging onto debris were an active threat, needing obliteration? Norrrm Monday #8

If Hegseth did not give the second strike order, who did? Norrrm Monday #12

Supposedly Admiral Frank M."Mitch" Bradley, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #14

Aye! Let's see who Trump/Hegseth throw under the bus. Norrrm Monday #16

So people hanging from debris Progressive dog Monday #9

Good grief, they have dug as deep as they can and that is what they come up with? Biophilic Monday #10

Actually, I think that those two survivors were killed so that Hegseth and his criminal cohorts could Jrose Monday #11

The self-defense must be there was no defense if they people were picked up alive and were fishermen. Vinca Monday #13

What twaddle. Disaffected Monday #15

Since when was flotsam considered a weapon? Baitball Blogger Monday #17

Here are five ridiculous excuses which Trump and Hegseth have offered. John1956PA Monday #18

Self defense against guys clinging to wreckage in shark-infested waters??? Ritabert Monday #19

Keep yapping. Everything you say will be brought at your Hague trial. TheBlackAdder Monday #20

Up is down, In is out. Zackzzzz Monday #21

Ocelot II

(128,533 posts)

1. Self defense against a fishing boat? Were they throwing harpoons?

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:55 PM

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mysteryowl

(7,816 posts)

2. Plus, they have not said what happened against the US from that target

Reply to Ocelot II (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:56 PM

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Deuxcents

(25,066 posts)

3. Self defense against 2 people hanging on to a burning boat for dear life..got it.

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:57 PM

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mysteryowl

(7,816 posts)

5. exactly! That 2nd missile

Reply to Deuxcents (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:58 PM

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MarineCombatEngineer

(17,304 posts)

4. 2 individuals are clinging to the wreckage of a boat that was just blown apart by

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 02:58 PM

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a US missile and the 2nd strike is labeled as a self defense strike?
Self defense against what?
These 2 guys were just trying to survive an illegal attack against their boat.

Deuxcents

(25,066 posts)

6. This admin's credibility, even if only a sliver of it was left, is bankrupt. Heads should roll from the top down

Reply to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:01 PM

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MarineCombatEngineer

(17,304 posts)

7. This is starting to blow up spectacularly against Pedonald and Kegsbreath,

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:01 PM

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strap in, hold on tight, things are about to get very interesting.
Even the repigs in Congress are questioning this murder of 2 individuals.

i'm not holding my breath, but this could very well be the end of Kegsbreath and those that chose to obey such an illegal order.

Norrrm

(3,624 posts)

8. Two guys bobbing in the water, hanging onto debris were an active threat, needing obliteration?

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:02 PM

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Got it.

Warfighting in the age of Trump/Hegseth.

Norrrm

(3,624 posts)

12. If Hegseth did not give the second strike order, who did?

Reply to Norrrm (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:07 PM

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MarineCombatEngineer

(17,304 posts)

14. Supposedly Admiral Frank M."Mitch" Bradley,

Reply to Norrrm (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:12 PM

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but he wouldn't have ordered it w/o the approval from Kegsbreath, that doesn't excuse him following this blatantly illegal order to murder 2 crew members, which goes against the UCMJ, the Geneva Convention and every fucking Maritime Law in existence.

Norrrm

(3,624 posts)

16. Aye! Let's see who Trump/Hegseth throw under the bus.

Reply to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:16 PM

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Progressive dog

(7,558 posts)

9. So people hanging from debris

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:02 PM

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to stay afloat are a threat. That was murder.

Biophilic

(6,325 posts)

10. Good grief, they have dug as deep as they can and that is what they come up with?

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:03 PM

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Is there anyone competent in this administration? What freakin’ idiots. Self defense??? It was the remains of a motor boat with two wounded men clinging to it and we had a big navy ship. I had no idea our sailors were so fearful. If I were a sailor right now I’d be spitting mad.

Jrose

(1,511 posts)

11. Actually, I think that those two survivors were killed so that Hegseth and his criminal cohorts could

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:06 PM

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try to 'defend' themselves by preventing any remaining witnesses from revealing the horrible truth about the savage genocide that resulted from illegal orders.

Vinca

(53,099 posts)

13. The self-defense must be there was no defense if they people were picked up alive and were fishermen.

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:09 PM

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Everyone from Trump on down to the drone operator should be tried for murder.

Disaffected

(6,048 posts)

15. What twaddle.

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:14 PM

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In all likelihood, the motive was to get rid of any "witnesses".

Baitball Blogger

(51,555 posts)

17. Since when was flotsam considered a weapon?

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:22 PM

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John1956PA

(4,655 posts)

18. Here are five ridiculous excuses which Trump and Hegseth have offered.

Reply to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:28 PM

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Five statements issued by Hegseth, the Department of War or Trump regarding the September 2, 2025, strike on the two survivors clinging to boat wreckage following the first strike:

1. "The first strike was intended to be lethal and kinetic." (Hegseth)
2. "I did not give the order kill everyone " (Hegseth).
3. "The second strike was to assure the survivors could not call on their confederates to rescue them and to retrieve their cargo, which would have promoted drug trafficking and which would have constituted a navigation hazard." (Department of War)
4. "Fake news!' (Hegseth)
5. "The survivors were killed in self-defense." (White House)