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no_hypocrisy

(53,942 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:34 PM Sunday

Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost


The latest NBC News poll shows two-thirds of registered voters down on the value proposition of a degree. A majority said degrees were worth the cost a dozen years ago.

Americans have grown sour on one of the longtime key ingredients of the American dream.

Almost two-thirds of registered voters say that a four-year college degree isn’t worth the cost, according to a new NBC News poll, a dramatic decline over the last decade.

Just 33% agree a four-year college degree is “worth the cost because people have a better chance to get a good job and earn more money over their lifetime,” while 63% agree more with the concept that it’s “not worth the cost because people often graduate without specific job skills and with a large amount of debt to pay off.”



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Irish_Dem

(78,503 posts)
1. The continued dumbing down of the American populace.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:41 PM
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Democracy depends upon an educated citizenry.

erronis

(22,195 posts)
5. Reposts are hard to avoid since they may include information coming from different sources.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:05 PM
Sunday

I usually try to do a search of one or two key terms before posting but that doesn't always work.

I like the idea of DU offering a step after a post is created:

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walkingman

(10,197 posts)
3. Education is not the issue, it is cost. That is easily solved by expanding free public education to include undergrad
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:58 PM
Sunday

schooling. The alternative is that the US will sink lower and lower in global competition.

We simply have to stop this "empire" thinking and reallocate our resources to American priorities.

MichMan

(16,425 posts)
11. That would only make the costs go higher if anything
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:21 PM
Sunday

You want to see tuition skyrocket even higher? Students and parents would no longer care what the costs are as it wouldn't be their problem. I can only imagine how high tuition would go if students could attend any college in the entire country at zero cost to them.

Pretty much giving the colleges a blank check courtesy of the taxpayers. The costs of "free" college are merely transferred from the attending students to future taxpayers.

walkingman

(10,197 posts)
12. Other countries seem to be able to deal with these issues with a lower debt burden?
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:37 PM
Sunday

Could it be that our capitalistic system? I know I was able to finish college in 1972 without debt. I worked and paid my own way and most of the people I knew did likewise. So what is different now? Do we have a better life in America than the other industrialized nations? I honestly do not know - enlighten me.

The millions of dollars that goes into sports might be one factor that causes the huge increases? If a college can pay million dollar salaries to coaches, you would think that the profit could curtail some of the expenses?

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Bluetus

(2,052 posts)
8. A confluence of factors -- all bad
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:25 PM
Sunday

Costs of higher education are skyrocketing at the same pace of health care. We have no choice but to pay for health care because the alternative is death. We do have a choice about higher education.

To my knowledge, the US is the only place in the world where "higher education" actually means paying coaches and athletes many millions of dollars to play in facilities paid for by the taxpayers at institutions that have fewer full professors mostly working on corporate projects while students pay upwards of $40,000 a year to sit in a huge lecture call and hear from assistant professors just barely past a bachelor's themselves. I'd like to see some real investigation into how much "education money" is actually siphoned off for the sports programs.

There is that -- out of control costs. But there is also the lifetime value of the education. If you become a successful lawyer (most aren't spectacularly successful) or medical doctor, the degree should easily pay for itself, as there is no path into those fields without the degree. But many other degrees might have allowed graduates to get into decent occupations in the past, but we may see these occupations undermined by AI in the next decade or two.

As of now, there is no AI that will replace a plumber, electrician, or car mechanic.

A third factor is that in Trump's America, we are not happy just to have China take all the manufacturing. We now are thrilled to see China and other countries lead the world in basic research. That is a big part of what made the US educational system the envy of the world. Now, not only are research budgets slashed, an aspiring research scientist has to factor in the risk of ICE busting into the lab and disappearing you forever.

DFW

(59,530 posts)
9. I think it's a very individual thing.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:48 PM
Sunday

If you're going to study English literature, sociology, or, for that matter anything where you don't have an idea of what it will lead to, then yes, at today's money, I can well understand many 18 year olds having this point of view. Hell at 18, I saw the biggest advantage of being in college as a guaranteed four year pause on the military's right to grab me and send me to Vietnam. I would have preferred to take a year or two off, but I had a low draft number, and might have been dead before a year was up. It cost my parents $6,000 or so a semester, and fortunately, by then, they could afford it. Now, it would have been five times that or more. Had I not had that sword swaying over my head, I might have waited, and then done something else entirely.

My two daughters, on the other hand, knew exactly what they wanted to do by the time they entered college. It cost me most of my cash inheritance, but I had already mentally kissed that goodbye because I didn't want to risk begging for scholarships.

As it turned out, for the older one, it turned out well, because she DID learn the skills necessary to have gotten her the job she has, and supports herself (with her husband's income) with. It took a few years, and for her first employer to go bust after almost 100 years. But the outfit she works for now seems solid enough. She has been there over ten years, and her job and her employer both seem rock solid.

The younger one cost me the lion's share of my inheritance, but she made the best of it in spades. She now makes seven figures (soon, even after the 50% German income taxes) and is not stingy with it (as long as you are family or a friend in need). This is 100% due to her college education. She was never a typical law student anyway. While most of her classmates were searching for Supreme Court Justices to clerk for during their summer breaks (wasn't gonna happen anyway, as her law school was "second tier," far from Ivy League), she applied for (and was one of two accepted out of hundreds) a spot with the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone, a country most people try to escape, not run to. She was always dedicated, smart, and never afraid to be different. She took to education like a fish to water, and she has been in her element ever since. While an undergrad in D.C., Emily's List founder Ellen Malcolm said she was the best intern they ever had. She graduated Law School during the Cheney-Bush recession, and so was facing a year of waiting on tables to take a position in any decent U.S. law firm. She took a few days prior to graduation to attend a legal Job fair here (well, down in Frankfurt). The firm that seemed most interested said they WERE looking for someone, but only with very specific qualifications. She asked, "like what?" They said they needed someone who was bi-lingual in English and German, had a valid EU work permit, a valid USA work permit, and an American Bar Exam. She said, "that's me!!" Within a month, she was offered a starting salary of €85,000 plus a signing bonus. That was a LOT of money 15 years ago, and she never looked back. So, she said good-bye USA, it was fun, and moved back to Germany after ten years away. Still, there WAS that one requirement of an American Bar Exam, so without her whole US education, the position that launched her career would never have been open to her.

So, I'd say it's a very individual decision. Taking on what stands to be a crushing life-long debt HAS to be a game-changer for a LOT of students, though. Here in Germany, education is financed very differently, with the state often picking up a large share of the cost (no, it is NOT free), BUT: your prospect of getting a study slot in your chosen field of study (you must choose prior to applying) at a German university depends entirely on your GPA and location, and even then you have to hope and sweat blood that you get a decision in your favor. If your teachers brand you as sub-par in the 9th grade, your fate may already be sealed as far as a landing spot for University level study is concerned. Darwin rules here, not dedication or street smarts.

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