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For Charlie Kirk? (Original Post) Sector 001 Sunday OP
Because Charlie Kirk was... BH liberal Sunday #1
An excellent summary. The only thing I would add is that it was disgusting to fly the flag at half mast for Dick Cheney. flashman13 Sunday #10
Cheney was vice president of the US, that's why. valleyrogue Sunday #16
I don't care what Cheney's title was. A crimanal and essentially a mass murderer does not deserve to be honored. flashman13 Sunday #18
Yes, and get ready, it'll happen when the Orange Hellbeast goes as well. ShazzieB Sunday #19
Flags were lowered for Jimmy Carter Seinan Sensei Monday #23
Because Hegseth is SecDef. Paladin Sunday #2
(and because we're not on a ship......) lastlib Sunday #3
Thank you, lastlib Niagara Sunday #9
Great question malaise Sunday #4
I would respond . . . AverageOldGuy Sunday #5
In his so-called "debates" with college students... BH liberal Sunday #6
Never fear. His eyelids will be half-staff at her funeral since it will not be all about him. N/T Ol Janx Spirit Sunday #7
Waiting for the day he falls out of his chair. Sneederbunk Sunday #15
Yup, Trump is a mass of bad. Joinfortmill Sunday #8
The real reason is the regime can't politically spin this without it backfiring on them massively. paleotn Sunday #11
They are in West Virginia. Until the end of the year. JohnnyRingo Sunday #12
Same for the Democrat and her husband popsdenver Sunday #13
For Charlie Kirk... Iggo Sunday #14
Because Kirk served their POLITICAL - and financial! - agenda. Grins Sunday #17
Precisely, Sector... sitting targets for Cha Sunday #20
Yep. The blame goes where the buck is supposed to stop... nt Justice matters. Sunday #21
Another murder to attribute the WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. rickyhall Sunday #22
they aren't? pansypoo53219 Monday #24
because she's female is a big part of it, I suspect LymphocyteLover Monday #25

BH liberal

(61 posts)
1. Because Charlie Kirk was...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:30 AM
Sunday

a demagogue and a media darling of the racist, sexist, theocratic MAGA Mob. The little people who get ground up in those zealots' paths are just written off as collateral damage.

flashman13

(1,837 posts)
10. An excellent summary. The only thing I would add is that it was disgusting to fly the flag at half mast for Dick Cheney.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:30 AM
Sunday

He was a war monger, a war criminal and all around monster. He had no problem with killing hundreds of thousand Iraqis and Afgans. He was a right winger in good standing.

valleyrogue

(2,494 posts)
16. Cheney was vice president of the US, that's why.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:57 PM
Sunday

Like him or not, that is what he was, and ALL VPs and presidents having died are honored with half mast flags.

A nobody like Kirk deserved nothing of the sort.

flashman13

(1,837 posts)
18. I don't care what Cheney's title was. A crimanal and essentially a mass murderer does not deserve to be honored.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:18 PM
Sunday

ShazzieB

(22,039 posts)
19. Yes, and get ready, it'll happen when the Orange Hellbeast goes as well.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:44 PM
Sunday

Flags were also lowered for Richard Nixon, who left office in disgrace, and they'll be lowered for Dubya. That's the protocol for a deceased potus or veep, whether the individual in question was deserving or not.

I try to think of it as a sign of respect for the office itself, not necessarily for the office holder. It helps cut down on the rage, which I know isn't good for my health.

Seinan Sensei

(1,284 posts)
23. Flags were lowered for Jimmy Carter
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 03:05 AM
Monday

An honest-to-God GOOD man

U.S. Code mandates flags fly half-staff for 30 days upon the death of a president

But flags returned to full-staff on the day of tRumpian inauguration.

Which was nothing short of a travesty and perversion.

Paladin

(32,120 posts)
2. Because Hegseth is SecDef.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:53 AM
Sunday

And Army Specialist Beckstrom was just a girl.

You don't have to have accomplished, beloved daughters (as I do) to figure that one out.

lastlib

(27,290 posts)
3. (and because we're not on a ship......)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:05 AM
Sunday

Ships have masts, so flags are flown at "half-mast" on ships. On land, they are displayed on a *staff*, so the flag is flown at *half-STAFF* on land.

Other than that, the point is well-taken. Kirk was a scumbag who never served the country in any way (except to help tear it down.) Ms. Beckstrom was doing her duty as a soldier.

Niagara

(11,240 posts)
9. Thank you, lastlib
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:17 AM
Sunday

This is the obstacle with DU receiving and sharing talking points off of Facebook.


I know that the Democratic supporting Facebook pages mean well, but they're full of inaccuracies.

AverageOldGuy

(3,215 posts)
5. I would respond . . .
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:16 AM
Sunday

. . . but I don't need ICE, FBI, DHS, and the rest of the Gestapo at my door.

BH liberal

(61 posts)
6. In his so-called "debates" with college students...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:20 AM
Sunday

Kirk brought with him a prepared screed that allowed him to direct the conversation where he wanted it to go. He employed every logical fallacy in the book, ignored inconvenient questions, passed off half-truths and outright lies as facts and left a trail of misinformation in his wake. Take a look at the online videos of what happened to Kirk when he tried to take his dog and pony show over to Cambridge, England where he met a group of students and professors who were well prepared for him. They basically ate his lunch and called him out for the fraud he was.

paleotn

(21,297 posts)
11. The real reason is the regime can't politically spin this without it backfiring on them massively.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:49 AM
Sunday

So, they want all this to go away. Why?

1. The shooter was granted asylum by none other than Donnie Poopy Pant's himself during his first admin. Like much of the Afghan withdrawal, it was already in motion when Biden took over.

2. As stated, the Nat Guard are not trained for this, and legally can't do shit except walk around as political props. That's well known and quite unpopular before this incident. It's not playing well even in Republican circles. And now this makes it even worse.

3. This short circuits the whole DEI / women don't belong in the military narrative. They cannot get past the fact that Donnie's regime deployed her and others knowing full well what their gender is. They can't pull the "she shouldn't have even been there / can't do the job" card because THEY put her there. But they also can't make her a martyr if she "shouldn't have been there in the first place." Sure, they could try, but with a dead woman? The backlash would be massive.

The unfortunate part is, the regime isn't dumb enough to attempt to make political hay from this. I want them to! I want them to go there! Please! Please! Please!!

JohnnyRingo

(20,337 posts)
12. They are in West Virginia. Until the end of the year.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:51 AM
Sunday

Besides, we won't hear anything about Kirk now since the administration has a new tool to use in tightening the stranglehold on the public.

If many ways she's more useful in that she's an attracting young woman and a soldier. Trump has been waiting for another excuse to deploy more troops and declare all protests as illegal.

The Guard isn't there to aid in law enforcement. Even Trump calls it a training exercise. Obviously for future use.

popsdenver

(1,241 posts)
13. Same for the Democrat and her husband
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 12:56 PM
Sunday

when they, along with even their dog, were assassinated by a TrumpHumper, in the middle of the night, at their home....

Has anyone thought about the amount of secrecy, and little, if any information, that has been released about the investigations of the individuals of the prior so called "attempts" on Trump, and other supposedly "left wing" radical shootings and acts of violence.......except the pure Propaganda put out by the Republican Party of Trump?????

Grins

(9,171 posts)
17. Because Kirk served their POLITICAL - and financial! - agenda.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:13 PM
Sunday

Because it's all about firing up, enraging, and animating the yahoos, crackers, and cousin-fuckers that make up "the base." The rage-drunk imbeciles who believe whatever Sean Hannity and the rest of the Fox liars shit into their skulls every day.

They actually raised money during his faux "memorial service."

Sarah Beckstrom, being a decent person, could never serve that purpose.

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