Why?

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but seriously that is a red flag

If he wanted to mount an act of terrorism, why not kill a soldier closer to home? Or attack a church? Or go after a local National Guard base? It's almost as if he was sent on assignment. So yes, I also think it's strange. I'm just hoping he lives long enough to testify in court.

Supposedly bent on revenge over his own chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), the man went in the wrong door in New York and started shooting, killing people who had nothing to do with the NFL or his problems.

I, too, notice the stink. Somebody, somewhere is radicalizing people to the point of making them into murderers.

Shot up the wrong office, killing people and then suicide.

He had CTE and left a note.

I believe this shooter suffered PTSD from his time working for America in the Stan.

I would not be surprised if it's a false flag, Trump will do anything to keep the attention away from Epstein.

We have seen this movie before.

So hard to find good wet workers these days.

Felonious has engineered distrust even in the most forgiving

"1984" has long surpassed imagination

"I can't do that , Dave".

Either his ear was clipped by a bullet or a bit of teleprompter glass, or they had a plan ready to simulate a wound, probably with fake blood.

If his ear was clipped there should be a scar. The only thing I can think of to contradict this is if he is on an anticoagulant and bled a lot from a tiny scrape. In this case it is stunning how close he came to be to being assassinated.

If they had a plan ready then they must have known that there would be a shooter. It just doesn't seem possible to me that they would allow anyone to point a gun so close to Trump. And the other guy was killed, there was obviously an actual bullet.

A bullet made contact with the ear literally a couple millimeters deep... lots of blood and healed better than a nick with a personal razor in the restroom.

No question of that.

The US is an incredibly lucky country. Maybe, by only a couple of inches, we were spared a fate worse than Trump.

Any way you cut it, it seems odd.

As is the face in general.
What I find most auspicious is no photos of the wound. No interview with the doctor who treated.

A tumbling bullet with that much force would take off a very visible portion of his ear, even if it was a nick.

I think our barber would say a piece of secondary shrapnel is more likely.

I still doubt it was planned, given this Administration’s incompetence and how badly it leaks. I do admit that there’s a lot of odd things about this, explained extensively elsewhere. And he did hang around the pro-wrestling community a bit, where there are often staged wounds…

From my experience any head wound bleeds a lot. They always look scarier than they actually are.

I buy that a bit of shrapnel clipped his ear. The would would stop bleeding fairly quickly.

One Counter argument is that no wound is currently seen… But has there actually been any close up photos of that ear? Not talking about blown up images. All the ones I have seen as “proof” of no injury are too grainy to be useful. I think, though, if there was a scar or visible wound, he’d be constantly parading it to show how tough he was. He’d talk about how Seal Generals with tears in their eyes, natch’) would come up to him and say,”Sir, sir, how did you manage to survive such a horrendous shot to the head? It’s a miracle!”. Then he’d talk about having good genes and shit…

We also have never seen an official medical report…

In Revelations it says that the antichrist will have a head wound. Maybe Trump's evangelical supporters told him not to show his wound since it might be construed as the type of wound that the antichrist was predicted to have.

There is just a lot to consider here.

That’s so crazy and stupid, but so is the entire end-times industry.

I could see it, maybe.

His completely intact, scarless ear proves it!!

Along with the physicians' reports and gunman identity disclosures!!

Amen.

He scored a 100% on his MRI of some part of his body, he doesn't know which part, but he scored a 100% score...

Maybe it was on his head and nothing was there

is getting disappointing. National Enquirer level stuff.
I cannot wait until Trump is gone so we can get back to policy in politics and drop this gossiping tabloid level bullcrap. It's making us all look silly

Do.The.Math.

I haven’t seen any evidence, not even his connections to the CIA/military intelligence, that would suggest the shooter is a patsy willing to sacrifice his life to further some nefarious plot by the Trump administration.

If his wife and children were threatened, what do you think he would do? What's the worst threat that would motivate an Afghan who worked with the CIA? Something along the lines of "we'll send your family back to Afghanistan"!

I agree with you on the whole nationwide martial law idea. The US military doesn't have the personnel to conduct an operation that large...there are as of March 2025 a total of 2.08 million active duty and reserve personnel, with 165,830 to 172,000 stationed overseas.

Why? I think it's entirely possible that he would at least try it. Of course it would likely end up in a civil wark but he doesn't really care.

requires a devious, undercover plan for a specific action, probably by a specific person.

I think that what happened in DC was just the result of Trump putting the National Guard in an area and ramping the pressure up, particularly on immigrants. Like what he has done in LA, Chicago, etc. The other locations didn't pan out for him.

I think that the only people who can't correctly attribute this shooting to Trump putting the National Guard in a situation in which they have no business and to Trump terrorizing immigrant communities to an almost unprecedented level are the complicit national news and Republicans.

why right now, may never know.

Murders and assualts happen in big cities and rural areas daily. Sometimes it's a Klan sympathizer or similar, other times it's someone looking for their 15 minutes.

... (disclosure): I am married to a 30 year veteran of CIA. Her war stories beat mine to hell. She had several postings in Africa, was in Taiwan, Thailand, Laos, and Paris.

been killed. As immigration was ratcheted up, it's possible that he grew more desperate and made a horrible decision in a location near the White House. There's a lot about this incident that doesn't make total sense, though. It's tragic all the way around, caused by one selfish, lying, old man.

Those two NG people have nothing to do with his possible worries.

Perhaps just the symbolism of their uniforms or something? Or perhaps a form of PTSD, being in that bloodbath called Afghanistan and all.

... at any time to Afghanistan would make most of us do something desperate, like commit a crime that would keep him in prison in the US vs walking to his death off an airport tarmac in Afghanistan.

There's way too many questions here to jump to any conclusion.

things haven't added up on ANY of the shootings so far............starting with the first one at a rally, the golf course "hyped" bull shit, then the RW nut getting assassinated, and now this....Precious little information disclosed by the RepubliCONs about ANY of these incidents, have you noticed that???????

I am sure that the reason is, that they don't want to disclose that all of them were done by Right Leaning individuals.
Without information, it is massively easier to blame it on Dems........

But they keep happening, to instigate something that they will be able to use to ignore the Posse Comatatus Act, and enable them to enact the Insurrection Act to put the country under martial law to pull off their "coup" and control the entire country.......

The economy is going downhill already, but just wait until after this holiday season when things really kick into high gear. The citizens are really gonna be hurting financially....big time.

I fear the RepubliCONs are getting impatient, along with 2025, Stephen Miller, Russell Vought, AND Putin.......and I worry about us getting through Christmas and the New Year without a grand slam.......their Coup de Gras would be crashing the stock and investment market, pulling the rug out of everyone's retirement, SSI, Public assistance programs, etc etc etc. A repeat of the Robber Barrons from the Gilded Age, the great depression, Hoovervilles, etc etc Just for fun....re-read Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath for a day by day accounting of what it was like for a family during the great depression. And a new depression is shaping up that will surpass the one in the late 20's........
The time for "Katie Bar The Door" is long past, and should have taken place when HWBush & Company, committed fraud AND treason to install Reagan in the White House...and then 2000 election, then 2004 election, and then the 2016 election plus the 2024 election.......
The Dems were all walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes and were oblivious to the her of charging elephants......pun intended..........
And they didn't shoot themselves in the foot, when the group of them voted with the Republicans to end the budget stalemate, they shot themselves in the head......in spite of the Dem voters repeatedly warning them that the Repubs, once again, would not keep their word......which is more than obvious now, that the RepubliCONs had NO intention of keeping their word on ANY concession to the dems....

But things didn’t go as planned

Announced on the Monday before this guy shot the National Guard.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/11/25/trump-administration-to-retroactively-vet-refugees-already-resettled-in-us

Tons of people jumped on the Kirk's shooter was a right winger from a rival group. They were wrong. I was one of them.
I'd suggest we wait till more information is out.

which makes him right wing.

People like the Shah, Assad, Mubarak, Hussein, Gaddafi were their enemies

... a Christian extremist?

Millions of Muslims the world over use that expression daily. Are they all "extremists?

... the act of extremists? Was my grandfather praying for help with his aim during the Battle of the Bulge and act of an extremist?

Praying in itself is not extremist, whatever extreme action the petitioner is involved with.

There's just not enough evidence to consider either judgement or a lynching. I choose to let a jury decide. I wish some here would take their coil of rope and return it to the garage until at justice is done.

... not sitting still for it. At what point of desperation do we do desperate things, too?

He was given asylum. There are many others not given asylum and even deported and they didn't kill innocent people.

Who witnessed this, and who reported it?

I've read this claim here several times, with no source cited.

Doesn't seem like he was right wing. Just because his family is, doesn't mean he is.

And given his relationship with a trans person, that doesn't reconcile with being associated with a homophobic group. Likewise Robinson talking about there's too much hate doesn't reconcile with Fuentes.

Just because Fuentes hated Kirk doesn't mean everyone who hated Kirk was with Fuentes.

The groyper thing never amounted to more than speculation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-shooter-groyper/684244/

the only (other) people I've seen claim that he wasn't a reichwinger are reichwingers.

I cited the Atlantic, hardly a right-wing publication. And no random people on Twitter or Bluesky with conspiracy theories don't count as citations. Conspiracy theories without proof are a dime a dozen.

Were they being threatened? Perhaps he did what he was told to save them. I wouldn't put anything past this administration. There really isn't much motive to drive across the country and conduct what is essentially a suicide mission, after being given asylum.

Into your life it will creep.

Another Reichstag fire/Gulf of Tonkin incident?

Smell test time?



Just how deep and how wide does the corruption go?
And where were the people who were around and supporting “operation miracle ear” in
Pennsylvania in last year.

Ramp up NG forces in DC to protect the town from people who drive 2,800 miles to make a statement?

Excellent actors for sure.

A perfect fit for their ideal terrorist. Right down to the words he uttered. Too smooth.

What a colossal bore it is.

I still think it's fair to say that there are a lot of just really weird things that happen around Trump and his people and his constant lack of transparency and politicization (and likely distraction attempts) of things simply exacerbates these things. Simply trying to brush them all off doesn't help anybody IMHO. We're not part of a cult. We don't (and shouldn't) just willy nilly accept things as they are presented to us by Trump and his people and/or even the media. That does NOT make us akin to Qanon conspiracy theorist junkies.

There is nothing weird or unusual about murder with guns. More people have been shot today than we’ll ever notice. One case happens to be on the news.

This involves guns, a specific target (National Guard Troops unlawfully ordered stationed in a major American city), and a response by a President seeking unlimted power to send MORE troops into said city in response. There is nothing normal or everyday about this situation IMHO

That surprises you?

not at all. Which is exactly why all of this seems not on the level

That isn’t called a conspiracy here, then I’ll be shocked.

Saw it on local Indianapolis station this morning.
I think it was planned for early December.

I always thought it odd the Indiana Guard never went to Chicago but then I assumed maybeee it was because too many of them were from what is called Duh Region in Indiana, the counties in Indiana closest to Chicago.

are firmly glued to Trump's...........posterior

one of the deadest/least watched media periods of the year?

If that ever happens.

Speculation never achieves anything.

All I know is Trump now has an excuse to send in more troops.

increase the National Guard in DC.
As for motive, his could be similar to this Afghani's who lost it in a traffic stop in April 2025.
It's one of the unintended consequences of starting wars.

from Epstein. Things are so crazy these days it is hard to know what is really going on.

should get off of the soap opera thing in politics. This crap does nothing for us.
This guy came in under President Biden. Why? Because he was a trusted individual who was cooperating with the US in Afghanistan, and there was no reason to distrust him. That's the same reason his asylum request was granted.
What he did after that is on him. He's a murdering piece of garbage. Who radicalized him? We need to find them as well.
But for cryin out loud, Donald Trump didn't approve his asylum, the system did because there was no reason to deny him until yesterday.

Seems odd. I wonder if they told him to do this ‘job’ and they make sure his family his safe.

This was planned as a wag the dog. Happens in Thanksgiving to dominate the news cycle.
Now, they will go after immigrants with valid documents and toss them to the sharks.

And of course, more military in our streets.

I just want all Republican voters and republicans politicians to disappear. You’re NOT NORMAL !

What are the chances, this would happen in that small window of time? Providing an excuse to steamroll the judge and just ignore her order.

and it has to be a conspiracy when somebody shoots somebody else?

This administration can't even get an indictment right and we think they are capable of a massive conspiracy to declare marshal law, and actually do it?

No chance.

But this was EXTREMELY convenient for Noem, Bondi and Trump. Just what the spin doctor ordered, and collateral damage was never a great concern of theirs.

Sadly one probably will die* but it wasn't true at the time and Fox should face severe scrutiny for it.

*Has since died

Not a D.C. person at all.

That should be our motto in the U.S.

As you say, something really stinks about it.

I'm surprised they let him live.

And the process is identical everytime. I encourage everyone here to tune into Greg Stoker and the Colonial Outcasts on your favorite social media outlet. He is correct all the time and has been since he started. And he reminds me of what Democrats used to stand for. Fair warning, thar be bitter pills ahead.

He was the great negotiator that invited the Taliban to Camp David to sell out the Afghans. So much for the art of the deal.

Biden got stuck with the blowback.

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Sarah Beckstrom, who hadn't been a member for very long. And not because Shitler says she did; I heard the announcement first from her FATHER.

150 recs so far on the OP

services after experiencing first hand the crimes they commit.

The guy seemed to have started off as MAGA, but now loathes the current admin.

The is hidden somewhere in there.

Why would he shoot 2 random Guard people?

Looks to me like the only thing that does is give tRump an excuse to put more military units on the street.

Period!

And the two guardsmen just happened to get in the way. Why else would someone travel all the way across the country? It doesn't add up.

From Noem's bag being stolen to Big Balls being attacked and a number of other incidents.
Maybe I am just overthinking things, but it sure seems like these incidents further what they want to do anyway.
I will say this, I think people are being radicalized online. In ways that they may not even recognize.
For instance, on Youtube, I watch mostly cooking videos and home decor videos. When it comes to politics, I watch Don Lemon, Joy Reid, The Bulwark, etc.
Yet I get bombarded with RW leaning content suggestions and ads. I also have noticed subtle religious ads showing up in the algorithm. I am not religious. This tells me that someone is effing with the algorithm. I am getting a bunch of David the religious cartoon ads. One can see how people slowly get sucked into extremism without them even realizing it.
I think these tech billionaires are messing with us.

On the other hand, this shooter had nothing to do with
all the current Trump/GQP propaganda narrative about the
'violent radical left communist socialist Democrats',
and the new Trump admin itself granted him asylum this year---

Seems more like a leftover radical muslim
fighting back against the Bush wars---
and that is plausible to me