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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(12,366 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:18 PM Nov 26

DC shooter was Afghani, Asylum brought in under Biden program, approved under Trump, shouted Allah Akbar

Last edited Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1)

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DC shooter was Afghani, Asylum brought in under Biden program, approved under Trump, shouted Allah Akbar (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 26 OP
What is the correct way to report? Sea Turtle Nov 26 #1
If those are the facts, have to report them, its just unfortunate they will be used to justify bigotry BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 26 #2
"its just unfortunate they will be used to justify bigotry" FullySupportDems Nov 26 #12
Shouting Allah Akbar is about ideology and shows motive JI7 Nov 26 #23
No it doesn't. Or do only Christians show religious mania? Wouldn't it be wise to wait for ALL the facts for ... marble falls Nov 26 #26
Kirk's killer does show problem with gun culture JI7 Nov 26 #24
One can certainly denounce it as a heinous act immediately, followed by facts (validated) only sans any interpretation hlthe2b Nov 26 #8
Reports last month is that many Afghan refugees are being sent back. haele Nov 26 #48
Post removed Post removed Nov 26 #3
Seriously. Making fun of him for his faith. marble falls Nov 26 #27
Where was ICE on this guy.... Tribetime Nov 26 #4
Correction..might have been granted asylum this year..under trump admin BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 26 #6
Ok... J_William_Ryan Nov 26 #5
Trump dropped the ball while planning a ballroom for his balls. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 26 #7
I donot believe this malaise Nov 26 #9
Overly conveniant excuse wasn't it? Some people don't need all the facts to kneejerk their hatred of others. marble falls Nov 26 #29
Another ICE failure Bok_Tukalo Nov 26 #10
Lakanwal applied for asylum in 2021 and was granted it in April 2025, CNN reported. TheBlackAdder Nov 26 #11
So, that does not sound "undocumented" to me, unless I totally misunderstand that term AZJonnie Nov 26 #13
fast moving story. "Facts" have been changing since i posted this BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 26 #15
WHere are you getting your info? What are your sources? Amaryllis Nov 26 #35
Two possibilities: surfered Nov 26 #14
Can you explain the rationale for your second "possibility" onenote Nov 26 #55
It is being reported that he did work with the US In Afghanistan. He may have felt betrayed surfered Thursday #63
I get that he might feel betrayed, but how would shooting national guard members ameliorate his fear of being deported? onenote Thursday #64
Source? Amaryllis Nov 26 #16
From the Guardian- hay rick Nov 26 #40
Thank you for adding a source to this discussion. generalbetrayus Nov 26 #45
Why would anyone be surprised that Deminpenn Nov 26 #17
Killing was done by people there also. Before and after we left. JI7 Nov 26 #28
How many vietnamese have done these types of attacks in the US ? JI7 Nov 26 #31
Or Japanese, or Koreans, or Germans...nt LexVegas Nov 26 #41
I don't know about these types of attacks, but Vietnamese youth gangs have been a problem in the US. generalbetrayus Nov 26 #47
So this was a documented Afghani until he wasn't? Brother Buzz Nov 26 #18
So the Trump Administration granted the asylum. You should adjust your headline. writes3000 Nov 26 #19
ok BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 26 #20
Thanks. Many folks only read post titles for their news. writes3000 Nov 26 #22
Half of the posters on this thread seem to eschew facts when they interfere with their preconceived notions. marble falls Nov 26 #33
.... CatWoman Nov 26 #32
We need to be strict and tough on immigration JI7 Nov 26 #21
Post removed Post removed Nov 26 #25
Interesting question then. James48 Nov 26 #30
Gee I can't imagine why someone moniss Nov 26 #34
The US left Afghanistan. Why didn't he stay there with the US gone ? JI7 Thursday #59
He's reported to have asked for asylum Deminpenn Thursday #62
Wow, what an asshole. Figarosmom Nov 26 #36
Um, he wasn't granted asylum under Biden. Wiz Imp Nov 26 #52
Is he trans too? mcar Nov 26 #37
Furry? That's the new trend of talk on the right. underpants Nov 26 #38
Everyone knows that radical right-wing Islamist terrorist-shooter types AZJonnie Nov 26 #43
I read he was granted asylum this year. iemanja Nov 26 #39
He was granted asylum earlier this year by the Trump Administration Kaleva Nov 26 #50
Afghan national Rahmanullah Lakanwal, 29 dalton99a Nov 26 #42
Kinda chunky! BidenRocks Nov 26 #51
Maybe PTSD? Seeing those clowns in full battle dress. Klarkashton Nov 26 #44
Holy shit, he fits their narrative. Initech Nov 26 #46
We should impeach Biden immediately. Orrex Nov 26 #49
Recall him back to active duty as CinC? Put Hegseth on it. Norrrm Nov 26 #53
This is not aimed at the DUer reporting the story. My response is: Pics or it didn't happen n/t Coventina Nov 26 #54
Looks like a case of the Trump administration not protecting Americans to me. BannonsLiver Nov 26 #56
79,000 Afghans were paroled into the United States Coldwater Thursday #57
From what I remember many women and children were pushed aside JI7 Thursday #58
How did ICE miss HIM? no_hypocrisy Thursday #60
Trump is making the National Guard targets for no good reason. Emile Thursday #61

Sea Turtle

(86 posts)
1. What is the correct way to report?
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:19 PM
Nov 26

If you were writing an article, how would you describe the gunman and this event?

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(12,366 posts)
2. If those are the facts, have to report them, its just unfortunate they will be used to justify bigotry
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:23 PM
Nov 26

Charlie Kirk's killer.. News focused on kirk, didn't Villify people sharing the characteristics of the shooter.

FullySupportDems

(398 posts)
12. "its just unfortunate they will be used to justify bigotry"
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:09 PM
Nov 26

That just made me think, How terribly convenient for them. And so close by too. It's perfect, a perfect tragedy to exploit.

marble falls

(69,991 posts)
26. No it doesn't. Or do only Christians show religious mania? Wouldn't it be wise to wait for ALL the facts for ...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:56 PM
Nov 26

... a fair trial before the hanging? I personally believe in due process.

hlthe2b

(112,358 posts)
8. One can certainly denounce it as a heinous act immediately, followed by facts (validated) only sans any interpretation
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:36 PM
Nov 26

We don't know what the motive is. Even if he used the phrase most associated with Muslim terrorist acts, though at its basis is not that at all (the term, sans any other context, merely reflects a phrase meaning ‘God is most great’, used by Muslims in prayers and as a general declaration of faith or thanksgiving.

So, then after even the most minimal time to get the facts--all the facts-- of who this person is, what had been happening in his life--what he told others--what groups he might be associated with, etc. Only then should published writings try to attribute interpretation and motive.

What MIGHT be an alternative explanation? Well, what immediately comes to mind is the fact that Trump has ended the protections afforded to Afghans who came here after having worked with and to protect our troops--thereby making them enemies to the Taliban should they return. Perhaps this is a direct impact on this man or his family. A lot of people have trouble accepting that the US does not honor promises--even after some put their lives on the line for them.

Maybe he is acting only out of response to hatred published online, and there is no mitigating issue that might explain his motivation. But, we sure as hell don't know now, do we?

haele

(14,948 posts)
48. Reports last month is that many Afghan refugees are being sent back.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 11:11 PM
Nov 26

He might have gotten Asylum, but friends or family members (like parents or siblings) who came over with him or he's now associating with might not "qualify" and risk being sent back.

Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

J_William_Ryan

(3,220 posts)
5. Ok...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:27 PM
Nov 26

Well, if true/accurate that’s about as bad as it can get and expect the reprehensible racist, bigoted, hateful right to respond as expected.

marble falls

(69,991 posts)
29. Overly conveniant excuse wasn't it? Some people don't need all the facts to kneejerk their hatred of others.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:00 PM
Nov 26

TheBlackAdder

(29,911 posts)
11. Lakanwal applied for asylum in 2021 and was granted it in April 2025, CNN reported.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:57 PM
Nov 26

Came in under Biden, Asylum granted April of 2025 -- Trump's second term in office.

AZJonnie

(2,481 posts)
13. So, that does not sound "undocumented" to me, unless I totally misunderstand that term
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:15 PM
Nov 26

Am I wrong?

Is the OP trying to say we'll be hearing a false storyline from the Right? If so, they should be more clear that is their intent IMHO.

surfered

(10,629 posts)
14. Two possibilities:
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:19 PM
Nov 26

1) he was a jihadist or 2) he worked for the US Army in Afghanistan and feared he would be deported by Trump back to Afghanistan, where he would be killed.

We don’t know yet.

onenote

(45,909 posts)
55. Can you explain the rationale for your second "possibility"
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 11:38 PM
Nov 26

Specifically how would shooting two national guard members on busy downtown DC street in the middle of the day address his fear that he would be deported back to afghanistan?

surfered

(10,629 posts)
63. It is being reported that he did work with the US In Afghanistan. He may have felt betrayed
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:44 AM
Thursday

onenote

(45,909 posts)
64. I get that he might feel betrayed, but how would shooting national guard members ameliorate his fear of being deported?
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:57 AM
Thursday

Deminpenn

(17,211 posts)
17. Why would anyone be surprised that
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:31 PM
Nov 26

an Afghani might harbor ill will toward the US military? It's not like we didn't spend 20 years fighting and killing there.

writes3000

(4,824 posts)
19. So the Trump Administration granted the asylum. You should adjust your headline.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:32 PM
Nov 26

To include all of the facts.

marble falls

(69,991 posts)
33. Half of the posters on this thread seem to eschew facts when they interfere with their preconceived notions.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:07 PM
Nov 26

Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

James48

(5,066 posts)
30. Interesting question then.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:01 PM
Nov 26

Would that be considered a legal act of armed warfare, and the perpetrator therefore entitled to Prisoner of War status?

Since the attack was on uniformed service members, how does the law of war apply?

Do the two wounded military members qualify for the Purple Heart?

moniss

(8,516 posts)
34. Gee I can't imagine why someone
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:12 PM
Nov 26

from Afghanistan would have a bad feeling towards the US military.

Deminpenn

(17,211 posts)
62. He's reported to have asked for asylum
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 06:13 AM
Thursday

Usually asylum seekers fear for their lives in their home country. That's why they don't want to stay. Don't know if this person is one of them, but there were Afghanis who helped the US military as translators and guides. They'd be considered an enemy inside of Afghanistan making staying there very dangerous for them.

Figarosmom

(9,317 posts)
36. Wow, what an asshole.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:19 PM
Nov 26

He just gave reason for trump to say he's right to check all of Biden's asylum grants and to revoke their visas and hunt them down and deport them. The fact that trump approved the visa isn't going to mean anything. He will leverage this.

Things are about to increase by 100s of degrees.

AZJonnie

(2,481 posts)
43. Everyone knows that radical right-wing Islamist terrorist-shooter types
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:42 PM
Nov 26

Are all mostly trans and furries, it's like axiomatic.

Kaleva

(40,104 posts)
50. He was granted asylum earlier this year by the Trump Administration
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 11:19 PM
Nov 26

Just read the report on ABC website

Klarkashton

(4,593 posts)
44. Maybe PTSD? Seeing those clowns in full battle dress.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:46 PM
Nov 26

He didn't do anything prior to this bullshit trump stunt.

Initech

(107,045 posts)
46. Holy shit, he fits their narrative.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 11:07 PM
Nov 26

Expect Trump to make a million calls to fire the mayor of DC and deploy a thousand troops.

BannonsLiver

(20,155 posts)
56. Looks like a case of the Trump administration not protecting Americans to me.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 11:52 PM
Nov 26

They’re the ones who let him in. 🤷‍♂️

Coldwater

(723 posts)
57. 79,000 Afghans were paroled into the United States
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 12:30 AM
Thursday

through Operation Allies Welcome, one of them sadly flipped out.

A reasonable person would conclude the vetting process needs to be improved, but there should be no further action taken

JI7

(93,044 posts)
58. From what I remember many women and children were pushed aside
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 02:22 AM
Thursday

and a bunch of young men got in .

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