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Cattledog

(6,567 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 04:57 PM Wednesday

DC shooting is proof you can't stop a shooting.

That area has more armed law enforcement per sq. foot than any place in America.

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DC shooting is proof you can't stop a shooting. (Original Post) Cattledog Wednesday OP
It was once told to me that anyone can be gotten to if the assailant is willing to die. nt MarineCombatEngineer Wednesday #1
Exactly. Often the only thing separating ANY figure from being murdered is an unwillingness to die by the assailant. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Wednesday #3
trump will just say it wasn't enough. A lot will depend on suspect's motive, whether real or made up. Silent Type Wednesday #2
I will never understand MAGA's police and military fetish. Initech Wednesday #4
it's the fascist, bully mentality .. they are cowards at heart LymphocyteLover Wednesday #17
Old Testament values of strong father/leaders who rule with harsh punishment and an iron fist ms liberty Wednesday #20
IMO, the only way to prevent a shooting in one location nitpicked Wednesday #5
People have shot at the White House from that area several times over the years IronLionZion Wednesday #6
It won't change unless the will to change is there. It is a hope but a long shot. twodogsbarking Wednesday #7
Over the years, i've known far too many people who were shot Warpy Wednesday #8
Good advise KS Toronado Wednesday #11
In a nation awash in a sea of firearms? Absolutely not. paleotn Wednesday #9
False flag? liberalgunwilltravel Wednesday #10
I was thinking the same thing. Aristus Wednesday #12
Me to popsdenver Wednesday #14
What would be the point of a false flag? This makes Trump look bad. Anxy Wednesday #16
If it's 'false flag' then Igel Wednesday #18
The point of a "false flag" is to give trump a reason to escalate the situation... Wounded Bear Wednesday #23
the soldier who died was a gal Skittles Thursday #27
Right-Wing Accelerationism? Bavorskoami Wednesday #21
It looks unlikely liberalgunwilltravel Thursday #25
Jesus. Not everything is a conspiracy, though you wouldn't know it by reading DU NoRethugFriends Thursday #29
Good guys with guns.... COL Mustard Wednesday #13
Agreed popsdenver Wednesday #15
Trump created the climate which allowed this attack to take place. Zelda_Orchid Wednesday #19
He literally created the circumstances. The NG wouldn't have been there but for him RockRaven Thursday #26
Trump doesn't seem to grasp that deescalation is often part of law enforcement. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday #22
trump doesn't de-escalate... Wounded Bear Wednesday #24
The only way to stop it is for the troops to frisk everyone and take away all guns. Srkdqltr Thursday #28
3. Exactly. Often the only thing separating ANY figure from being murdered is an unwillingness to die by the assailant. n/t
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:10 PM
Wednesday

Silent Type

(12,225 posts)
2. trump will just say it wasn't enough. A lot will depend on suspect's motive, whether real or made up.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:08 PM
Wednesday

ms liberty

(10,857 posts)
20. Old Testament values of strong father/leaders who rule with harsh punishment and an iron fist
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:40 PM
Wednesday

That's my guess.

nitpicked

(1,562 posts)
5. IMO, the only way to prevent a shooting in one location
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:16 PM
Wednesday

Is to surround that location with ultra-tight security ((think security for Inaugurations)).

But then the gunman might choose to shoot up somewhere else.

IronLionZion

(50,519 posts)
6. People have shot at the White House from that area several times over the years
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:52 PM
Wednesday

Shootings can happen very fast. They can do plenty of damage before LE can stop it.

Warpy

(114,304 posts)
8. Over the years, i've known far too many people who were shot
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:02 PM
Wednesday

with the guns they kept for protection. They were shot by bad guys who broke in and stole them, by angry family members who know where to find them, and saddest of all, by themselves.

Someone a long time ago gave me some very sage advice after he'd taught me how to fight really dirty: "Don't get a gun. First, people are never afraid of getting shot. They're very afraid of getting cut, so if you need to carry any kind of weapon, make it a knife. Second, carrying a gun makes you over confident to the point you stop being as aware of your surroundings as you should be. Third, anyone who manages to surprise you will take that gun away from you and probably use your own gun to shoot you." I'd add that guns, like gold, are thief magnets. I've never carried a gun or had one in my home. I've never felt like I had to.

paleotn

(21,297 posts)
9. In a nation awash in a sea of firearms? Absolutely not.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:13 PM
Wednesday

Welcome to real police work, Nat Guard guys. Wanted to or were forced to play cop? Sometimes that means getting shot and perhaps killed. Usually without nearly as much media air time as this particular shooting is getting.

Anxy

(40 posts)
16. What would be the point of a false flag? This makes Trump look bad.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:40 PM
Wednesday

First, the National Guard was supposed to stop crime and didn’t. Second, these young men were shot because Trump forced them to do police work instead of doing what they do.

What would Trump gain by doing this? Would he scream that he needs to send the National Guard to DC? They’re already there and they’re being shot.

Igel

(37,236 posts)
18. If it's 'false flag' then
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:17 PM
Wednesday

it obviously can't be 'one of us'.

You know, all that 'war' and dehumanizing/resistance language directed at ICE and the fascists?

NBC reports "Afghan national" according to couple of non-US anglophone sources.

Wounded Bear

(63,629 posts)
23. The point of a "false flag" is to give trump a reason to escalate the situation...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:58 PM
Wednesday

Sounds like he's planning to send in 500 more troops from what I've heard.

Convince a MAGA to take one for the team, and bingo! trump has an excuse to call Martial Law.

Bavorskoami

(165 posts)
21. Right-Wing Accelerationism?
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:48 PM
Wednesday

I would be skeptical of a regime linked false flag operation, but I can readily imagine militant extremists doing something like this to "accelerate" chaos and resulting possible violent crack down - like members of the Boogaloo movement who advocate inciting a race war.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,027 posts)
25. It looks unlikely
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:31 PM
Thursday

To be a false flag now. More like an American ally that felt betrayed. And with the CIA background who knows what the back story is.

COL Mustard

(7,878 posts)
13. Good guys with guns....
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 06:30 PM
Wednesday

Couldn't stop a bad guy with a gun, apparently.

I am sending good vibes and thoughts to the troops who were shot and their families. They do not deserve this.

RockRaven

(18,523 posts)
26. He literally created the circumstances. The NG wouldn't have been there but for him
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:33 PM
Thursday

forcing them to be.

Wounded Bear

(63,629 posts)
24. trump doesn't de-escalate...
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 08:00 PM
Wednesday

He hits back with more force.

Remember?

He has a gas pedal, no brakes.

Srkdqltr

(9,185 posts)
28. The only way to stop it is for the troops to frisk everyone and take away all guns.
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:50 PM
Thursday

And, that's not going to happen ever.

Although, that is an interesting idea.

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