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FirstLight

(15,753 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:32 PM Nov 25

My adult kids and I have been talking about housing

And I've seen some pretty horrific numbers as to how much things of skyrocketed over the past few years...

I wasn't paying attention in 2007-08 when the first big housing bubble burst.
Were there any indicators before it crashed?
Was it fast like an actual bubble burst or a building up and blow out?
Just curious if prices and homes are going to go bust in the next couple years or not.. we all have our opinions as to where things are going but I'm just curious about the indicators since I really am clueless when it comes to economy stuff.
Thank you if anybody can clarify ..

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UpInArms

(53,828 posts)
1. I knew it was going to bust when people started taking
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:46 PM
Nov 25

Arms (adjustable rate mortgages) … it caused the bust in the 80s and then went away until the mid 2000s

It’s a recipe for disaster

haele

(14,945 posts)
2. It's a slightly different housing problem this time; more owners are financial institutions.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:58 PM
Nov 25

However - and this is the big issue, when the Economy tanks, the Financial institutions holding housing property might not "fire sale" those properties, they will most likely continue to hold on and squeeze as much rent as they can before emptying the units and then either tear them down or sit on them as a depreciation, until the Economy either recovers, or the wealthy mofo's in charge of these "property funds" can divvy up the property amongst them and their friends, taking advantage any remaining employed or employable population desperate to live somewhere reasonably safe.

The risky practice of bundling mortgages and properties makes it difficult for the public-facing institutions - the banks themselves. That and the overvaluation of property is basically what caused the bubble burst of 2009.
The valuation of properties is higher than it should be but it's somewhat stable, lagging other inflation. That's the primary difference.

But for those investment funding organizations promoting the bundling to increase ROI - it's all an algorithm shared among the actual BOD, or the head Corporate Partners (in crime), and every other employee, even if they hold titles, is nothing but disposable tools to them.

It's a scavenger hunt game to them, whether the Economy thrives or collapses. Collect the most critical resources you can, and it doesn't matter what happens, you're always going to have the product everyone wants, and you can name your price.

The thinking is that while housing can cone and housing can go, but Land is always there - and they aren't making any more land.

meadowlander

(5,041 posts)
3. The advice I would give my nieces would be:
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:57 PM
Nov 25

it's easy to get wrapped up in thinking of buying a house to speculate, flip, etc. but that's just bullshit from an industry that makes money off you moving a lot and swooping in to fix home repairs you've screwed up when you bite off more than you can chew. Unless you're absolutely certain (ideally based on significant past evidence) that you love giving up every night and weekend to doing DIY for the next ten years, be realistic about your capacity for, skills in, and interest in undertaking major renovation projects you couldn't otherwise afford to pay a professional to do for you. And even then think about the impact that living on a building site for years will have on your other life plans and goals.

What I did, and what I'd recommend to the young people in my life, is to wait to buy a house until you have some stability in terms of your job, location, etc. and then buy a home (not an investment, a home) with a 60+ year time horizon in mind. Even if the market is a bit inflated today, over that horizon, you will make money. As the man said, they're not making any more land. Even if the bubble bursts and you lose $20 or $30K in first few years, you will eventually make that up and it will be a blip in your rear view mirror by the time you retire. And since you're not planning to sell any time soon, what difference does it make? Just block Zillow on your search engine for the first 5 years and don't worry about it.

Rent a lot of different places and work out what you like and what drives you mental first, especially the things that can't be changed or that will cost a fortune to change.

Every time you buy and sell a house you take a significant financial hit - you have to fix up the house and hire a real estate agent and a lawyer and potentially make two mortgage payments for the overlap period and pay for movers, etc. It's a costly, stressful pain in the ass that you should avoid unless major life events compel it.

So buy a house that you can age in place in and plan to invest that money instead into making it a perfect home for you. Think about how many kids you will realistically have, how often are you really going to have people staying over and is it cheaper for them to get an Airbnb nearby instead of you paying for an extra guest bedroom year round for them, how much time are you really willing to give up to keep a big lawn/garden up to scratch when you're 80 or are you happy to pay for a gardener once your knees and back go? Do you have space for the hobbies you do or are planning to take up? Current or future pets? Get a place that will be wheelchair accessible without needing massive renovations, ie has a ground floor bedroom with a roll-in shower or the potential for one, definitely bathrooms on every floor. How are you going to get around to access essential services when you can't drive anymore?

Don't buy a house that requires you to back your car into a major road. Always get an inspection no matter what and price in major repairs and renovations. Don't bother with a house if the foundation is stuffed.

Buy the worst house in the best neighbourhood you can afford but make sure it has the right bones so over the next 60 years you can invest in fixing it up to be what you want. Price in the cost and time to travel to work. Try not to buy a brand new house (they depreciate the first few years like cars) or fall in love with a character property that's also a money trap. 5-10 years old is the sweet spot - especially since modern construction methods have come * a long* way in terms of things like thermal performance, mould resistance, and durability.

Look for areas where there is a lot of construction happening, especially upgrades to local shopping areas. But check the local planning maps which should be available on the local council's website. Don't buy in areas with significant natural hazard risk. Don't pay a premium for things you don't actually care about or use, like buying a home in an area marked up for top schools if you don't plan on having school-aged kids or being next to a golf course if you don't play. Look out for signaled future development that will impact your property values like zoning for a planned shopping centre expansion, a new stadium, upgrades to rail lines, or highways nearby, etc. Visit it a few times, at different times of day, to pick up issues like odours from nearby industrial areas , noisy neighbours, airport or helipad flight paths, etc.

Look for areas that have been upzoned to allow for increased intensification because they are near public transport nodes but not developed yet and then decide accordingly. Your land value will increase more in those areas because of speculation and land banking but your neighbours are going to be building at a higher density too - so can you preserve what you like about your property (eg, privacy, aesthetics) through that process? Or would you be happier in a quieter area, accepting that the land value potentially won't go up as much? How high can the neighbours build and what are the building setbacks? Can you live with what the neighbourhood is probably going to look like when you're 80?

Be picky but be prepared financially for when the right one comes along. And then don't worry about the market at the time. Just go for it. If it's the one in a million house that you love and that ticks all the boxes (and I think you can see you should have *a lot* of boxes), it's worth overpaying for it a bit as long as you don't go over what you can actually afford.

Ah yes, and as above get a fixed rate mortgage with no penalties for extra payments and pay off that mortgage as fast as you possibly can.

hunter

(40,262 posts)
4. I know I can live in a car or a garden shed because I've done it.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:24 PM
Nov 25

My wife and I bought our first house in the Midwestern Rust Belt for $8,000, about the same as I paid for my first car. We sold it for double that.

It's fucking weird. I never thought about this stuff, never cared about it. Still don't.

The house we live in now has quadrupled in value.

We're nearly California millionaires.

Alas, we've seen that kind of money evaporate in hospital bills, thankfully most paid by insurance.

But it does give one perspective.

If everything goes to shit I know how to live in a garden shed.

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