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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMrs. Betty Bowers explains in simple terms that even a child could understand.
The draft dodging idiot posted a pic of this West Point plaque. It contains these words:
— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social) 2025-11-25T18:49:50.829Z
âOur American Code of Military Obedience requires that, should orders and the law ever conflict, our officers must obey the law.â
That is precisely what Senator Mark Kelly told officers to do. #NoSedition
Our American Code of Military Obedience requires that, should orders and the law ever conflict, our officers must obey the law.
That is precisely what Senator Mark Kelly told officers to do. #NoSedition
drray23
(8,555 posts)This reminds me of this famous quote attributed to Louis XIV, the French king, when he was challenged by his parliament -" L'etat c'est moi" (The state is me) Trump no doubt sees himself as a king.
kairos12
(13,445 posts)that he probably says I am the Burger King.
calimary
(88,655 posts)That pretty much stops me, right there.
doc03
(38,700 posts)for any official act, any order he gives is therefore lawful? Not saying I agree with that but
today's SCOTUS may actually agree with Trump.
Zackzzzz
(213 posts)dickthegrouch
(4,210 posts)angrychair
(11,577 posts)Obviously not a lawyer so I had to keep pulling threads the further I went into it.
The executive summary is that it's a shit sandwich.
Mango Mussolini has immunity from criminal conviction in the performance of his duties. Not anyone else.
So when it comes to refusing to follow orders you believe are illegal, it's always going to be something that will have to be worked out after the fact.
Example: I am your commander and order you to do thing x and you truly believe that order is illegal. I tell you it is legal because it came from our president. You say "no, it's illegal" I release you from your duties, likely go to the brig and face a general court martial hearing.
But the proof is completely on the (soldier, airman, sailor or marine) to prove their case as to why it's illegal.
If they are wrong, they could get kicked out of the military, demoted or jailed or all three
If they are right, it was illegal but do it anyway, then they could be put on trial for crimes against humanity later.
Like I said, shit sandwich.
calimary
(88,655 posts)ANY way you slice it.
Easterncedar
(5,339 posts)The immunity means, I believe, only that he cant be criminally prosecuted for giving an otherwise unlawful order, or for committing a crime if he is acting within the scope of his duties.
FakeNoose
(39,737 posts)... if he acts as president in an official capacity. So no lawsuits and no prosecution, even when he might do something harmful or illegal. Sheesh!

Trueblue Texan
(4,086 posts)doc03
(38,700 posts)"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." The SCOTUS confirmed Nixon's statement when it comes to Trump.
Skittles
(168,855 posts)serious fucking moron
William Seger
(12,098 posts)He's presenting hard evidence that he's full of shit as if it's exoneration!
Historic NY
(39,509 posts)tanyev
(48,421 posts)which were carried out instead of challenged. Now all they have to do is change the definition of legal to whatever the Toddler in Chief wants.
sheshe2
(95,143 posts)Martin Eden
(15,232 posts)The STOOPID, it hurts!
jybarz
(35 posts)It just proves Felon Pedo Conman Maggot Drumpf is an Illiterate Idiot!
Cha
(316,096 posts)Senator Elissa Slotkin's, Rep. Jason Crow's, Rep. Maggie Goodlander's, Rep. Chris Deluzio's and Rep. Chrissy Houlahan's, Defense!
And I'm sure they Know That!
Mahalo for posting Mrs. Betty Bowers, she
BidenRocks
(2,592 posts)(As Lt. Calley)
What, My Lai?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1bvi9e2/what_my_lai_national_lampoon_cover_august_1971/
Half the country has no clue.
Zackzzzz
(213 posts)Figarosmom
(9,292 posts)Or needs glasses. Then too, he has comprehension problems, not understanding what he reads.
sheshe2
(95,143 posts)It is getting worse with what little he has left for a brain. He didn't go in for his second 'annual' checkup for nothing.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,747 posts)Somewhere there has to be a Biggest Idiot Ever trophy getting his name inscribed on it.
Gary 50
(477 posts)is the worst decision ever made by the court. It gave free reign for the orange turd to do any evil his heart desires. I guess the court never heard this is supposed to be a country with no man above the law. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Pam Blondie has the plaque indicted for contradicting the orange shit stain.
democrank
(12,014 posts)All citizens, department heads, media owners, journalists, CEOs, members of the military, Congress, MUST be loyal to Trump. Not to the Constitution, not to our laws. Just loyal to Trump, or else