…….”for me to poop on”.

Pity the same can’t be said about his political career.

Pennsylvania is not Massachusetts or New York City. In two of the last three elections, it went for the uber-flawed Republican Trump over two accomplished center-left Democrats. For godsakes, Bob Casey lost. This isn’t the PA from 2000 or even 2010. Fetterman is a solid fit. It didn’t swing as far to the right as Ohio and Iowa, but it did swing rightward.

John Fetterman Whines About How Budget Vote Is Ruining His Beach Plans



The Pennsylvania senator is more worried about his beach vacation than a bill that will cause millions of Americans to lose health care.

https://newrepublic.com/post/197437/john-fetterman-budget-vote-ruining-beach-plans

https://archive.ph/3pPpr



Senator John Fetterman—known mostly for his basketball shorts, his disdain for participating at his fairly easy job, and his highly publicized mental health crisis—would rather be at the beach than in the Senate voting on Trump’s sweeping budget bill.



“Oh my god, I just wanna go home,” Fetterman said Monday in response to a question regarding when voting on the bill would end. “I’ve already … I’ve missed our entire trip to the beach, my family’s gonna be back before we … and again, I’m gonna vote no, there’s no drama. The votes are gonna go. In fact the only interesting votes are gonna be on the margin, whether that’s [Susan] Collins, [Ron] Johnson, and those, but all the Democrats, we all know how that’s gonna go. And I think—I don’t think it’s really helpful to put people here til some ungodly hour.”

While the Republican’s Senate majority makes the bill’s passing highly likely, some Democrats are still speaking out rather than longing for vacation. “If you are concerned about health care, which I suspect that everybody in the world is, this bill throws over 16 million people off the health insurance they have, according to the Congressional Budget Office, by cutting Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act by over $1.1 trillion,” Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders said on Sunday night. “In other words, the top one percent [is] getting a $975 billion tax break, and that is coming directly by throwing 16 million people off of the health insurance they have.”

But Fetterman has had a contentious relationship with the job he campaigned to do. That dynamic, combined with his mental health, extreme hatred of Palestinians, and his general rightward shift, only increase the questions surrounding his future as a Democratic senator, or as a senator at all.

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Fetterman Praises Trump's Greenland Threats: 'A Smart Thing'



https://www.thedailybeast.com/fetterman-praises-trumps-greenland-threats-a-smart-thing/

https://archive.ph/WPWoP



Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman said Wednesday he’s open to Donald Trump’s idea that the U.S. acquire Greenland, telling reporters that it’s “strategically a smart thing.”

“I mean, it’s pretty reasonable, and I think it’s actually strategically a smart thing,” Fetterman said, according to NBC News. CNN’s Manu Raju added that Fetterman told the press that he would support the acquisition if Denmark did as well.

Fetterman and Trump had a meeting a few days ago at Trump’s Florida club, Mar-a-Lago, where they not only discussed Greenland but other expansionist ideas—such as reacquiring the Panama Canal.



Trump had kind things to say about Fetterman afterward. “It was a totally fascinating meeting. He’s a fascinating man, and his wife is lovely. They were both up, and I couldn’t be more impressed,” he told the Washington Examiner. “He’s a commonsense person. He’s not liberal or conservative. He’s just a commonsense person, which is beautiful.”

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John Fetterman says he would 'fully support' U.S. troops in Gaza after Trump floats proposal



The Pennsylvania Democrat, a staunch defender of Israel, has shown a public openness to working with President Donald Trump.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/fetterman-trump-gaza-occupation-20250204.html

https://archive.ph/mozAc

U.S. Sen. John Fetterman, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has shown a public openness to working with President Donald Trump, reportedly said Tuesday that he would “fully support” a role for U.S. forces after Trump proposed a U.S. occupation of Gaza.

“The Palestinians have refused, or they’ve been unwilling, to deliver a government that provided security and economic development for themselves,” Fetterman said, according to a report from Jewish Insider. “They allowed 10/7 to occur, and now Gaza has to be rebuilt. Where are the people going to live? Where are they going to go? So it’s part of a conversation with where they’re at right now.”

Asked about the possibility of U.S. troops on the ground, Fetterman told Jewish Insider he did not know what their specific role would entail. “But they’re obviously a part of it, and I fully support,” said Fetterman, who was in Washington to vote as the lone Democrat in support of confirming Trump nominee Pam Bondi for attorney general.

During a news conference with Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, Trump proposed relocating displaced Palestinians in war-torn Gaza, and suggested the U.S. take “ownership” of the Gaza Strip. He also said he was not ruling out deploying U.S. troops to aid in the area’s redevelopment.

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after being elected. No matter how you spin it, he didn't win in Pennsylvania for being center right!

few years tells me his judgment is superficial or poor.

And I appreciate a professional dress code. I think his manner of attire reflects his attitude towards his job.

so immediately Lamb was the "corporate neoliberal shill" and somehow Fetterman was progressive in comparison

Where does he fit for you?

A person on this forum praising him just doesn't make sense.

Strange person to "love". Then again, he thinks calling people "woke" is a valid criticism, and I've read your profile, so maybe you are a good fit for him.

It isn't bad, per se. But it is a weird choice of thing to virtue signal here.

e person perceived as excessively or performatively "woke," particularly with regard to social justice issues.

The member is new here though, and so let us allow a certain amount of grace.

I would advise that, even though we are a big tent, we avoid broadcasting edgelord terminology.

self reflection on maybe Just Maybe he chose the wrong path to support that Traitor more than The Dem Party?

TY, Cat

Someday, we'll learn. This post is not unusual around here, so my comments are not directed at this post but to all those with the same attitude.

It should be obvious that Fetterman absolutely needs to be moderate in a key purple swing state, Pennsylvania. We just seem to want to keep cutting off our noses to spite our face. SMH. We need to win elections.

Fetterman identifies as a Democrat, a member of the Democratic Party. To me, that puts him miles above anyone who doesn't. Cough, Bernie and Zohran, cough. I want to see our party strong. If we're going to be a big tent, I'd much rather have more fully-committed, moderate Democrats (like Spanberger and Sherrill most recently). Democratic Socialists, for example, are welcome to caucus and vote with us. But they are a different party, and we should remember that.

He's elected. He's a Democrat. He has explained his positions fully. He's in a purple swing state. As a democracy-supporting Democrat, it's just a no-brainer to support him. Leave simple Democratic loyalty aside (which I don't, frankly). People who consider themselves "left wing and progressive" should really think hard and make sure that's what they are, because crapping on Fetterman weakens the Democratic Party and the left.

It's a democracy. Not everyone gets what they want. But you don't screw over your own team.

He screws over his team first?

That election means that voters chose him(although, random, self-appointed folks who call themselves "left" or "progressive" might have whatever opinion of him they might have). By that democratically elected criterion, Fetterman's position for determining what is and isn't good team play wins hands down. No comparison. Fetterman is "real apples." His self-appointed critics and putter-downers are "natural apple flavoring," regardless of their self-identification.

That nobody can criticize him because he got elected? I mean, breaking with his fellow Democrats once in a while on a particular issue is one thing and is completely fine and appropriate when it is in service to his constituents, but what he, Manchin, and Sinema have done/are doing is more like giving aid and comfort to the other team, by actively bad-mouthing his own party on several occasions is a completely different thing IMHO. Numerically, we need him to be on our side so that we can win the Senate back eventually, but a lot of what he has been doing this past year seems to be more helpful for Trump/GOP than for his own political party.

Mayor Elect Zohran Mamdani and Congresswoman AOC don't just "caucus with Democrats", they *are* Democrats. Their political philosophy is democractic socialism but they are just as much Democrats as anyone else with a D behind their name.

I'm not a fan of the idea that we, in the Democratic Party, can include someone who doesn't identify as a Democrat as being a member of the party. It should be obvious that identifying as a "Democratic Socialist" sounds a lot like "not being a Democrat" to voters, and confuses our trademark, imo. It makes it sound like being a Democrat is not good enough for them or that they are, in fact, considering themselves a party, if nascent. It weakens our party and, imo, the left, badly.

AOC seems to identify as a Democrat. Bernie doesn't.

He is a member of the Democratic party regardless of your feelings and claiming otherwise is deliberately deceitful and imo that kind of divisiveness weakens the party.

Think what that would mean to you if her were elected as a Democrat but identified as a Republican. He was elected as a Democrat, and, imo of course, it is his duty to our party to identify as a Democrat. It weakens our party and the values it supports for him not to accept our party by its name. I really don't see how it isn't obvious. He disses us when he won't say our name. I feel it just as much as when the Republicans call us the "Democrat Party."

It's also deceptive to voters. They may think that Democratic Socialist is a different party and, indeed, it gives a scent of wanting to splinter off or not share credit with the Democratic Party whose entire apparatus he used to be elected.

But Zohran's the one being deceptive here.

I also read this somewhere:



Well said!

I did think of the Democratic Socialists as a separate party, and that's the way it comes across to me. When I hear on NPR that Zohran identifies as a Democratic Socialist, I hear him not saying he's a Democrat.

How one interprets what they hear is subjective and certainly not a good reason to malign elected Democrats, especially when they're as popular as Mayor Elect Mamdani. Like him or not he energized thousands of voters and they carried him to victory, that's pretty amazing considering he started out with 1% support. Hopefully he'll be welcomed and accepted by other party members the way AOC was, they do have a lot in common. Not to mention his handling of Trump today made him even more of a rockstar, we need all the wins we can get.

He was up against Cuomo, and Sliwa was a spoiler.

Mamdani has a long way to go before he can be considered tested. I don't really know what is better for the Democratic Party, for him to emphasize he is a Democrat or for him to keep saying he's a "democratic socialist," leaving it up to the individual to hear it as a "separate group like a party" or just a philosophy.

I'm not sure why Trump liking Mamdani makes some of Mamdani's supporters happy and think he is a rockstar. I think if Trump had hated Mamdani after the meeting or they had openly shown dislike, Mamdani's supporters would still think he is a rockstar (maybe even more of one).

I don't see how dismissing his accomplishment is helpful, especially today. It's not just his supporters who appreciated the optics, he walked into the White House and basically called Trump a fascist to his face. His critics expected Trump to humiliate the young Mayor Elect but this happened instead:

Find someone who looks at you the way Donald Trump looks at Zohran Mamdani.

— Qasim Rashid, Esq. (@qasimrashid.com) 2025-11-21T21:30:07.439Z

This was another win, Mamdani still has to prove he can do the job but continuing to attack him and his supporters is a mistake. If this tent is big enough for Fetterman why would it exclude the Democratic Mayor Elect of NYC and his supporters?

Fetterman is in statewide office in a purple swing state. Mamdani is in office in the largest liberal city in the country. They both have their lanes, best I can tell. We're not going to agree on everything. No one should feel "maligned" or "attacked" or "excluded." It's too much.

Democrats need every vote they can get from both ends of the political spectrum, no one should feel like they're being pushed away.

Good night to you.

I would not buy a book from Fetterman