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LAS14

(15,344 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:08 PM 10 hrs ago

So how many billions of dollars would society save if...

... we just gave everyone the health care the provider thought they needed, and gave everyone a base income that would cover modest housing and groceries, no questions asked?

Thank of the savings in salaries of people who had to design telophone answering menus, and status reports, and conduct investigations into whether a particular open heart surgery was warranted or not?

Billions, and billions, I'm sure!

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So how many billions of dollars would society save if... (Original Post) LAS14 10 hrs ago OP
Oh but then a couple sick fuck billionaires with power trips couldn't get off on being cruel Blue Owl 10 hrs ago #1
When there is no middleman, costs are much lower dlk 10 hrs ago #2
If we gave Greg_In_SF 9 hrs ago #3
If all of that was paid for by Musk, he'd still have $300 billion... Wounded Bear 7 hrs ago #7
+1 leftstreet 7 hrs ago #8
Think you missed three zeros Lurker Deluxe 7 hrs ago #9
I'm not sure what you mean Greg_In_SF 7 hrs ago #10
But there are people who know little about medicine bucolic_frolic 9 hrs ago #4
No questions asked, eh? Torchlight 9 hrs ago #5
Tax the use of AI crud 8 hrs ago #6

Blue Owl

(57,514 posts)
1. Oh but then a couple sick fuck billionaires with power trips couldn't get off on being cruel
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:14 PM
10 hrs ago

Is probably what it all boils down to...

dlk

(12,975 posts)
2. When there is no middleman, costs are much lower
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:17 PM
10 hrs ago

Health insurance companies collect premiums and deny or pay claims, essentially paperwork. Without them, how many $billions, could be saved?

Greg_In_SF

(628 posts)
3. If we gave
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:25 PM
9 hrs ago

every adult even just $25,000 per year that would cost $6.5 Trillion every year. So, in ten years, our national debt would go from $38 Trillion to $103 Trillion. It's simply not possible.

Greg_In_SF

(628 posts)
10. I'm not sure what you mean
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 03:36 PM
7 hrs ago

Elon Musk is worth about 1/2 a Trillion. How would we tax him 6.5 Trillion annually?

And, it’s not like he has 1/2 Trillion sitting in a bank. That’s his net worth - all his companies, houses, cars, etc. right down to his kitchen knives.

bucolic_frolic

(52,637 posts)
4. But there are people who know little about medicine
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:28 PM
9 hrs ago

and run to the doctor for every sniffle and hangnail.

The thing is, we are treating disease. Living responsibly to prevent disease is far cheaper (just like preventive maintenance on a car), but first we have to overcome the vested interests that feed off sickness, and in many instances make you sick because either they don't know what they're doing or they like to line their pockets. And that doesn't even being to scratch the pathologizing of illness in the mental health field.

crud

(1,084 posts)
6. Tax the use of AI
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 03:19 PM
8 hrs ago

to pay for it. Thomas Paine: agrarian justice

"Cultivation is at least one of the greatest natural improvements ever made by human invention. It has given to created earth a tenfold value. But the landed monopoly that began with it has produced the greatest evil. It has dispossessed more than half the inhabitants of every nation of their natural inheritance, without providing for them, as ought to have been done, an indemnification for that loss, and has thereby created a species of poverty and wretchedness that did not exist before."
– Thomas Paine

https://www.ssa.gov/history/paine4.html

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