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Tommy Carcetti

(44,255 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:29 AM 14 hrs ago

It's a bit of a miracle that the fallout from the Kent State massacre wasn't bigger

Yes, the death toll was only four people--and we seem to have mass shootings with that type of casualty count at least every month these days--but it was four unarmed protesters. Shot dead by members of the military.

While I know there was instant reaction during the time, I'm a bit surprised it wasn't more significant and didn't lead to more escalating civil unrest. Consider that we all learned that one of the precipitating events of the American Revolution was the 1770 Boston Massacre, which had a death toll of 5.

For anyone who was around at the time, is there any explanation how public reaction to the shootings was more or less contained to a peaceful one?

I was not alive when the Kent State massacre took place. I do remember watching the Vietnam documentary by Ken Burns a few years back and sitting in stunned silence as they described the events that occurred, followed by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's "Ohio" playing over the end credits.

I worry we are working ourselves up to another similar deadly confrontation in Chicago, Portland or some other location, and I fear the fallout to that will somehow be much, much worse.

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It's a bit of a miracle that the fallout from the Kent State massacre wasn't bigger (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti 14 hrs ago OP
The reaction to Kent State was massive Jersey Devil 13 hrs ago #1
Well the military quickly put the blame on young National Guard soldiers. LakeVermilion 13 hrs ago #2
SecDef Kegbreath thomski64 13 hrs ago #3
As a 17 year old at the time living in the rural south, it was major news. Especially after CSNY released "Ohio" RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 13 hrs ago #4
My memory of the time is a bit fuzzy and I was just a teenager, with my own issues. ihaveaquestion 13 hrs ago #5
I heard the opposite of what everyone is saying. Baitball Blogger 13 hrs ago #6
Huge fallout Cirsium 11 hrs ago #7
What? The reaction was massive. The still photo of that teenage girl kneeling beside her friend with her arms flung wide Hekate 10 hrs ago #8

Jersey Devil

(10,501 posts)
1. The reaction to Kent State was massive
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:35 AM
13 hrs ago

Part of the reason it was "contained" was that many colleges throughout the country closed for the rest of the school year to avoid major demonstrations and possible violence. I was in law school at that time and my school, along with virtually all others in NY state cancelled final exams and closed for the rest of the semester.

LakeVermilion

(1,420 posts)
2. Well the military quickly put the blame on young National Guard soldiers.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:36 AM
13 hrs ago

That seemed to satisfy most people.

It seemed to me that there were Congressional hearings regarding allowing the National Guard to carry "live" weapons.

thomski64

(771 posts)
3. SecDef Kegbreath
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:48 AM
13 hrs ago

Would have called it the Battle of Kent State and awarded Medals for killing Commies

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,219 posts)
4. As a 17 year old at the time living in the rural south, it was major news. Especially after CSNY released "Ohio"
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:51 AM
13 hrs ago

a few weeks after the event. Looking back now, I'm sure many southerners were fine with the killings.

ihaveaquestion

(4,132 posts)
5. My memory of the time is a bit fuzzy and I was just a teenager, with my own issues.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:54 AM
13 hrs ago

From what I remember, most reporting blamed the protesters for inciting a riot because they threw rocks at the advancing guard troops trying to clear the quad. I clearly remember adults at the time saying the students "got what the deserved" for opposing the government. At that time, most people in America still trusted the government, even Nixon. Kent State helped erode that trust.

Baitball Blogger

(51,038 posts)
6. I heard the opposite of what everyone is saying.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 10:09 AM
13 hrs ago

I heard that kids with Kent state degrees had tough times getting jobs and Nixon went easy on the soldiers. I believe conservatives may have commended them.

Cirsium

(2,938 posts)
7. Huge fallout
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 12:31 PM
11 hrs ago

The movement collapsed.

What made Kent State so significant when there had been so much violence over the previous decade? It was white college students that time.

The Orangeburg Massacre is rarely mentioned.

While most people know that students were killed at Kent State in 1970, very few know about the murder of students at Jackson State (1970) and even less about South Carolina State College in Orangeburg (1968).

On Feb. 8, 1968, 28 students were injured and three were killed — most shot in the back by the state police while involved in a peaceful protest in Orangeburg, South Carolina. One of the by-standers, Cleveland Sellers, was arrested for inciting a riot and sentenced to a year in prison. Later serving as president of Voorhees College, he was the only person to do time.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/orangeburg-massacre/

Nor do we hear much about the Jackson State Killings.

On May 15, 1970, the police opened fire shortly after midnight on students (and passersby) in a May 14 protest of the U.S. invasion of Cambodia during the Vietnam War at Jackson State College in Mississippi. Twelve students were wounded and two (21-year-old law student Phillip Lafayette Gibbs and 17-year-old high school student James Earl Green) were killed.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/jackson-state-killings/

The assassinations of Black Panther Party members deserve more attention.

On Dec. 4, 1969, Black Panther Party members Fred Hampton, 21, and Mark Clark, 22, were shot to death by 14 police officers as they lay sleeping in their Chicago apartment.

While authorities claimed the Panthers had opened fire on the police who were there to serve a search warrant, evidence later emerged that the FBI (as part of COINTELPRO), the Cook County state’s attorney’s office, and the Chicago police conspired to assassinate Fred Hampton.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/black-panther-party-assassinated/

Dozens of people were killed by police and the National Guard in Detroit in 1967 and the pattern was repeated in many cities across the country.

During the 1967 Detroit Uprising, civilians, civil servants, and even children and teenagers lost their lives due to the ever-heightening fear and violence that ensued during those dark days in July. The official total is 43 dead, a number produced by the Detroit Police Department's Homicide Bureau and accepted by the city's mainstream newspapers. Our additional research in African American media sources and government documents resulted in a death toll of 47, as found on this page and in the interactive map on the previous page, which is probably still an undercount.

https://policing.umhistorylabs.lsa.umich.edu/s/detroitunderfire/page/deaths


Most Americans are aware of the urban rebellions of the 1960s that exploded in places like Harlem, Newark, Watts, and Detroit. Such uprisings are widely assumed to have peaked in the days and weeks following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in April 1968. In America on Fire: The Untold History of Police Violence and Black Rebellion Since the 1960s, Elizabeth Hinton corrects this misconception. A professor of history and African-American studies at Yale, Hinton not only documents the rebellions that continued to proliferate with astonishing frequency and bloodshed between 1968 and 1972 — often in smaller cities that flew beneath the radar of the national media — but also reveals how fundamental this forgotten “crucible period of rebellion” was in defining “freedom struggles, state repression, and violence in Black urban America down into our own time.”

Hinton persuasively argues that these rebellions — 1,949 of them in three and a half years, resulting in forty thousand arrests, twenty thousand injuries, and at least 220 deaths — were nearly always precipitated by an unwarranted act of police overreach against Black people who were simply pursuing their everyday lives or committing minor infractions (violating a park curfew, for instance). Victims’ responses would be met with outsize force from the police (often aided by white townspeople), and a rebellion would escalate from there in a vicious, all-too-predictable cycle of violence that could sometimes persist for years.

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/untold-history-protest-and-police-violence

Hekate

(99,713 posts)
8. What? The reaction was massive. The still photo of that teenage girl kneeling beside her friend with her arms flung wide
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 12:45 PM
10 hrs ago

…as she cried out in horror, was absolutely indelible.

It was the image, much as firehoses and police dogs set on peaceful Civil Rights marchers had been.

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