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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow is it possible that newly elected Congresswoman Adelita Grijalva
has still not been sworn in?
How the fuck is this obstruction even legal?

LetMyPeopleVote
(170,428 posts)The Arizona Democrat will be the 218th signature on a discharge petition on the Jeffrey Epstein files. Will this lead GOP leaders to delay her swearing-in?
The brewing fight over Adelita Grijalvaâs congressional swearing-in and the Epstein files | The Arizona Democrat will be the 218th signature on a discharge petitio... | www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
— CHBstills (@chbstills.bsky.social) 2025-09-30T06:07:15.534Z
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/brewing-fight-adelita-grijalvas-congressional-swearing-epstein-files-rcna234511
Democrat Adelita Grijalva has for months been on a glide path to become Arizonas next member of Congress. But now that shes been elected, as the U.S. House stares down a government funding standoff and a bombshell measure related to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, a political fight is brewing around when exactly Grijalva will be sworn in.
At the heart of the matter is a question about how best to deal with routine electoral bureaucracy.
In theory, Grijalva could be sworn in as Congress newest member on Oct. 7, the day members get back to work. This would be consistent with standard practice, including recent developments with Democratic Rep. James Walkinshaw of Virginia, who was declared the unofficial winner of his special election and was sworn days later......
The House speakers office hasnt elaborated on its plans, saying only that the chamber would wait for the appropriate paperwork. But as a practical matter, Congress has already received the appropriate paperwork: Arizona Secretary of States Office notified the House clerk last week that Grijalva is the unofficial election winner based on the lopsided results.
Under standard practices, that should be plenty. This documentation has been sufficient to swear in multiple members of Congress, a spokesperson for the Democrats on the House Administration Committee told the Arizona Republic.
Will the Speakers Office agree? Is there a reason Johnson is being coy about this? Watch this space.
malaise
(289,588 posts)Bev54
(12,916 posts)Wednesdays
(20,841 posts)If they can hold it up for a few days, what's to stop them from holding it up for two years?
markodochartaigh
(4,191 posts)that our national media, that the Republican colleagues of Democratic members of Congress, that the supreme court, and tens of millions of Republican voters, all of whom would swear their commitment to democracy, are not clamoring for Speaker Johnson to immediately seat the Congressperson. Maybe they are busy sorting their socks.
ananda
(33,428 posts)Did she get one?
onenote
(45,691 posts)Mandamus is an extraordinary remedy that can't be used to force an official to take action that is discretionary. And while swearing in a newly elected member after a special election isn't totally discretionary, the timing of it is not dictated by law and while sometimes the swearing in occurs quickly (and even during a recess) there also is precedent for waiting until the House is back in session -- indeed, Johnson did that twice with repub special election winners last year.
ananda
(33,428 posts)what's the point of an election if you don't
get to serve your full term (or maybe even
at all).
This is so crazy.
Wiz Imp
(7,562 posts)Her election was on September 22. The House doesn't technically need to be in regular session to swear someone in. But in this case, with the House not in regular session, there's not a significant impact of delaying because no regular votes are being taken. Yes it delays the vote on releasing the Epstein files, but only by a few days and assuming it passes the House, will move onto the Senate where it will likely sit with no action for a long time.
I'm not defending the Republicans. This is petty and vindictive shit which we've come to expect from Republicans. But ultimately, the impact is minimal.
The House returns to session on October 7. She should be sworn in then. She can't legally be blocked for being sworn in and Johnson has said she will be sworn in when the House returns to regular session on October 7. The shutdown will not impact that.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5529055-republicans-grijalva-swearing-in-house/
liberalgunwilltravel
(930 posts)So they have time to threaten the lives of the members, especially the Republicans, who won't tow Trump's line. That's why the delay matters.
Wiz Imp
(7,562 posts)Democrats aren't going to change their mind no matter the pressure. And if Boebert, Greene or Mace are going to flip, I'm sure they've already made that decision.
I also read that the earliest would be October 7. Facts are sometimes inconvenient.
Wiz Imp
(7,562 posts)In the meantime, Johnson is simply trying to exploit a technicality that allows him to delay for a short time. Sure it's a scummy thing to do, but in the long run, the impact is minimal.
gab13by13
(29,897 posts)but her victory won't be certified for several weeks even though she won by a blowout.
Johnson could hold up her swearing in on a technicality.
Conjuay
(2,712 posts)Could swear her in, and leave Johnson completely out of the loop.
QueerDuck
(136 posts)onenote
(45,691 posts)GiqueCee
(2,858 posts)... don't need no stinkin' Writ of Mandamus! Rules aren't written to inconvenience Republicans! They're written to hamstring Democrats! Just ask Moscow Mitch!
Figarosmom
(8,792 posts)Loss of representation, I'd think.
Seinan Sensei
(1,156 posts)Botany
(75,398 posts)Answer. Republicans have to cheat.
See below:
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-part-x-vr-systems-151-fake
In Florida in 2024 thousands of ballots were rejected when the computer marked that
the voter had not provided I.D. but in fact they had provided I.D. but the computer flipped
to say they had not provided an I.D..
Javaman
(64,559 posts)My tinfoil hat prediction is 2 things
1) they will never come back in session, the gov shuts down and the orange asshole rules himself king
2) they come back in session and tiny johnson never swears her in.
Maru Kitteh
(30,734 posts)

Outstanding.
Wiz Imp
(7,562 posts)Neither one of them is going to happen.
TNNurse
(7,423 posts)Warpy
(113,967 posts)Democrats might even have the votes.
flashman13
(1,550 posts)Mblaze
(789 posts)ReRe
(12,055 posts)FakeNoose
(38,799 posts)The legislative and administrative branches are almost completely kaput.
The judicial branch has seen better days, but it's really trying to hang on.
LiberalArkie
(18,994 posts)malaise
(289,588 posts)Ill let an expert respond. - looking it up
LiberalArkie
(18,994 posts)Soon after Grijalva was elected, a political fight began brewing over her swearing-in.
Arizona officials won't formally certify the election until Oct. 14, but Grijalva and other Democrats argue she can be sworn in sooner, using the unofficial results.
The day after Grijalva's election, the timeline was still unclear. House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-Lousiana, responsible for scheduling the swearing-in, was quiet on the matter.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-is-adelita-grijalva-and-when-will-she-take-office-what-to-know/ar-AA1Nhwvk?ocid=BingNewsSerp
FakeNoose
(38,799 posts)
This is all on Mike "Over My Dead Body" Johnson - who really, really doesn't want to talk about Adelita Grijalva.

LiberalArkie
(18,994 posts)malaise
(289,588 posts)
Wiz Imp
(7,562 posts)were sworn in the day after the election before the results were certified. Waiting for certification is not unreasonable in a close election, but all the Special elections have been blowouts.
Johnson is using a technicality that the House is not in Regular session as an excuse to delay. They return to Regular Session on October 7 and Johnson has already said she will be sworn in on that date.
Crunchy Frog
(28,076 posts)They just won't swear in any Democrat who gets elected.
It won't matter whether it's legal because no one will stop them.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,274 posts)
usonian
(20,987 posts)Repost
He's a cornered rat.
What does the cornered rat fear?