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augyboston

(373 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 07:55 AM 13 hrs ago

What is the EU waiting for?!?

Another night of mass Russian attacks on Ukraine along with numerous incursions into NATO airspace and another day of muted response from the EU. I won't say NATO because Donnie Rotten's love affair with tyrant Putin has removed the U.S. from the equation.

The EU has a GDP ten times the size of Russia, so if they wake up and get serious they could bankrupt the Russian war machine in no time.

Why is the EU not gearing up for all out war with Putin and his cronies? They can either fight them in Ukraine now or fight them in eastern Europe later, but any realist knows that Putin wants to restore the old Soviet Empire and the only way to stop him is to bring the fight to Russia.

Look to 1938-1939 for direction.

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What is the EU waiting for?!? (Original Post) augyboston 13 hrs ago OP
We're not really in a position to ask that. They're all asking, "What are Americans waiting for?" Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #1
Bingo! OldBaldy1701E 12 hrs ago #2
We aren't part of the equation anymore JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #4
America isn't American at this particular moment in time. Dr. T 11 hrs ago #6
America is busy making war on its own people Wicked Blue 10 hrs ago #9
This! bronxiteforever 10 hrs ago #10
And it's substitute teacher week. carpetbagger 12 hrs ago #3
De rec. As an EU (and US and UK) citizen, this is one of the worst OPs I have seen in ages. Celerity 12 hrs ago #5
An excellent response! Gimpyknee 11 hrs ago #7
+1 and we also don't know what bronxiteforever 10 hrs ago #11
Thank you. niyad 10 hrs ago #14
Maybe they're hoping our legislative body of Neville Chamberlin's might grow a spine. Buddyzbuddy 10 hrs ago #8
EU and NATO are two different entities FakeNoose 10 hrs ago #12
Thank you SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #15
A European army is an army constituted by the countries belonging to the European Union and would integrate the Common Celerity 8 hrs ago #16
Look at the bulk of Europes militaries DetroitLegalBeagle 10 hrs ago #13

Scrivener7

(57,301 posts)
1. We're not really in a position to ask that. They're all asking, "What are Americans waiting for?"
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 08:07 AM
12 hrs ago

JustAnotherGen

(37,106 posts)
4. We aren't part of the equation anymore
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 08:42 AM
12 hrs ago

77 million Americans voted for that vile evil thing and they said loud and clear: Imperial Me.

We are a pathetic joke.

Dr. T

(413 posts)
6. America isn't American at this particular moment in time.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:04 AM
11 hrs ago

Like Rocky Balboa in the movie, America is down and teetering on the brink of self-destruction and can't muster a coherent defense strategy for itself, let alone Europe. Just like in the movie, America will eventually come to its senses. But, will it happen in time for a happy ending is the part we don't know.

carpetbagger

(5,371 posts)
3. And it's substitute teacher week.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 08:32 AM
12 hrs ago

The highest ranking American officer in Europe will be an O-6 because Hegseth wants everyone at the dojo for his manly man ted talk.

Celerity

(52,142 posts)
5. De rec. As an EU (and US and UK) citizen, this is one of the worst OPs I have seen in ages.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 08:49 AM
12 hrs ago

This part alone is especially galling:

Why is the EU not gearing up for all out war with Putin and his cronies?


All-out war between Russia and the EU means nukes will fly.

Why don't you get your own house internally in order before trying to lecture us over here and tell us to start directly down the path towards nuclear war.

De rec.



Buddyzbuddy

(1,558 posts)
8. Maybe they're hoping our legislative body of Neville Chamberlin's might grow a spine.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 10:06 AM
10 hrs ago

As one we're unbeatable. As it is now, well, we have Putin's President Pudding Pop representing the United States of America. In other words TACO.

FakeNoose

(38,766 posts)
12. EU and NATO are two different entities
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 10:33 AM
10 hrs ago

The NATO countries are not all in Europe, so therefore they aren't all members of EU. Examples would be the US, Canada, and Turkey. They're bound together by pledges of mutual defense against a common enemy.

On the other hand EU countries are all in Europe and are geographically connected and economically bound together under a constitution. These countries are the most threatened by Putin's aggressive acts against Ukraine (and now Poland.) Until Chump came along they were looking to the US as a strong supporter and ally, but sadly, not any more.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
15. Thank you
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:19 AM
9 hrs ago

I was just about to say that I don't think there is an "EU military"...could be wrong about that.

Celerity

(52,142 posts)
16. A European army is an army constituted by the countries belonging to the European Union and would integrate the Common
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:38 PM
8 hrs ago

Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). Since no such unified army is currently established, defence is a matter for the member states individually. The member states are, however, bound by several obligations arising from international treaties, and they conduct several multinational initiatives.

snip

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,433 posts)
13. Look at the bulk of Europes militaries
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 10:38 AM
10 hrs ago

Then compare the on paper strength to the reported on the ground strength. Then check their ability to project force themselves outside of their territories without US support. Thats why.

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