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applegrove

(128,361 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 02:09 AM 7 hrs ago

On Charlie Kirk's debates.

"Why didn't you ever debate the professors, anyone your age... someone with a developed frontal lobe? ...

"Why didn't you ever debate the professors, anyone your age... someone with a developed frontal lobe? Charlie Kirk debated to win. He did not debate to seek truth."

Mindcite💥 (@mindcite.bsky.social) 2025-09-27T17:28:14.026Z
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no_hypocrisy

(53,178 posts)
1. IMO, Kirk didn't "win" the debates so much as he employed a series
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:49 AM
5 hrs ago

of logical fallacies which veered away from the original premises of the arguments, creating chaos and impossibility to respond.

NJCher

(41,536 posts)
3. Yes, there are those tactics
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:06 AM
5 hrs ago

And then there were the kind employed by Rush Limbaugh, who didn’t employ logic or reasoning but who depended on ridicule and demonizing.

He couldn’t do any in depth argumentation because, gasp, he might have to read.



no_hypocrisy

(53,178 posts)
4. Limbaugh's choice of logical fallacies was argumentum ad hominum (personal insults)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:17 AM
4 hrs ago

and the class Gish Gallop (machine-gun delivery of issues in a clump).

NJCher

(41,536 posts)
7. Not to mention
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:54 AM
4 hrs ago

Delivered in a loud, boisterous style that did not in any way facilitate the give and take of productive exchange.

Orrex

(66,083 posts)
9. Exactly. I've watched too many of his "debates" on YouTube
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:14 AM
2 min ago

He argues more or less exactly like a creationist. He was a big fan of the Gish gallop, equivocation, false equivalence, non-representative sample, invoking questionable authorities, etc.

And, just like fundamentalists confronted with vile passages from their bible, Kirk (and his fanbois) insist that these direct quotes are "taken out of context."

applegrove

(128,361 posts)
5. So we can't discuss his debating style 2.5 weeks after?
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:28 AM
4 hrs ago

He was a public figure. He didn't deserve to die. No innocent should. He chose to be a public figure. He also chose to be a Republican which has a long standing policy of messing up the Healthcare options for 44,000 people a year resulting in their death. And they are innocents too. This stuff is damned important to the future lives of those college kids Kirk used to argue with. Their lives hang in the balance too because not all those university kids Kirk debated will be rich enough, or employed enough, to get healthcare in the anti-democracy the GOP/MAGA want to construct.

You know who else we are not supposed to talk about after they die? Schoolchildren who get shot. And Charlie Kirk had opinions and argued with college kids about how he was okay with this tradeoff so long as the first amendment is 'protected'. Those mass murders of children and others brutalizes the country and teaches Americans to accept atrocities. Charlie Kirk was interested in schooling children in heartlessness by suggesting children see public executions.

A lot of innocent people are dead. I care about the living because there is still a chance to help them. How long would you have me cease and desist from discussing politics, as politics was and as politics is, after Charlie Kirk was assasinated? A month? A year? Just a blanket ban on ever discussing Kirk and his political legacy?

Your team is narrowing the terms of what we can discuss. Your perspective is shrinking. You are driven by fear and you have been fooled into misplacing what you should be afraid of. Pretty soon you will be fully robotic appendages to MAGA with no will of your own. And we on the Democratic side will be open and loving of our neighbours and fully human and we will talk freely.

SunImp

(2,532 posts)
6. He did these bad faith debates just to own lefties & make fun of them for his social media
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:44 AM
4 hrs ago

His youtube channel is filled with "Lefty owned", "Dumb purple haired feminist", "Liberal brainrot" videos. I don't think he ever went "I was wrong you've changed my mind on this". Channels like these are just tools for the right to dehumanize & vilify their opponents.

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