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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsConsider this, perhaps Trump and the Republicans want a government shut down
Republicans have wanted to cut government to the bare bones for a long time. They believe government spending should be reduced to just a few items, military spending and law enforcement being the main ones. A government shutdown would do just that. It also has the advantage of shutting down Congressional investigations into Epstein and Trump, not to mention elimination of the entire legislative branch altogether, at least for awhile.
Yes, yes, people would complain, no Medicaid, no national parks, etc., but does Trump really care? He isn't running for reelection again, and frankly the chances of the midterms being anything meaningful, other than as a dog and pony show, are disappearing quickly. With a government shutdown Trump gets to fire even more people and rule by EO. If he does need to spend money, he can always declare a national emergency to get the appropriations, and SCOTUS will back him up.
A government shutdown would consolidate even more power into his hands, and bonus, he gets to plausibly(at least to his followers) blames Democrats for the ensuing chaos.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the Republican budget and CR are both abhorrent, and if this were normal times I'd say shut it down. But these aren't normal times, and in some ways this reminds me of the 1933 Enabling Act in Germany, when the Reichstag voted themselves out of existence, concentrating all the power into Hitler's hands. Congressional Dems are caught between a rock and a hard place, with no good choices. I don't know what the solution is, but there are currently only two options, both bad. Perhaps there is a third option, I don't know, but as it currently stands both roads look fraught with danger.

Frasier Balzov
(4,580 posts)Democrats must be very vocal reminding voters about who is in power at the moment and who is abusing that power.
indusurb
(266 posts)Probably more than that, given the nature of the MSM these days.
And so what if they do? Its not an excuse to roll over for fascism. Democrats have won elections after prior shutdowns anyway.
Raven123
(7,075 posts)ImNotGod
(1,144 posts)of these fascists games, rollover and play dead our party will be dead, forever.
Blue Full Moon
(2,893 posts)Johonny
(24,767 posts)They will not understand how or why Trump shutdown the government. He will blame democrats . . . But Democrats know the dude can't shut up. He will be the face of a government shutdown because the news covers him 24/7. He can't fucking stop making news. He wants the world to revolve around him.
Happy Hoosier
(9,100 posts)We have to push back somewhere, somehow.
We sure as shit are not going to win any hearts and minds meekly accepting the rule of our fascist masters.
FUCK. THAT.
I'm DONE with that.
Schumer compromised in March
What the fuck did we get out of that? Repukes just mass approved judges without Dem input
Fuck them, time to fight back hard and live with consequences, the bullshit compromise excuses must stop.
Mysterian
(5,940 posts)Time to end the insanity.
Irish_Dem
(75,315 posts)The correct answer is to fight the PutinGOP tooth and nail.
We go down swinging.
wiggs
(8,447 posts)should once again clean up their mess. Dems (maybe not Chuck) can make a big picture case about why we are in this position and demand safeguards for good government in the priority areas. Deal should be clear, so that when TSF rescinds the deal or re-allocates or finds a loophole to doom ACA or SNAP...there will hopefully be enough moderate goprs to push back.
I know that's asking a lot from goprs when there's no evidence that will happen.