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lindysalsagal

(22,738 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:01 PM Thursday

He's ordering the end of opposing political organizations: The real fascism move happened today:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/enforcing-the-death-penalty-laws-in-the-district-of-columbia-to-deter-and-punish-the-most-heinous-crimes/

-mods- I doubt a presidential decree is in violation of the DU 4 paragraph limit. He can't claim copyright infringement. It's a potus decree.
Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence
Presidential Memoranda
September 25, 2025

Sec. 2. Investigating Domestic Terrorist Organizations. (a) The National Joint Terrorism Task Force and its local offices (collectively, “JTTFs”) shall coordinate and supervise a comprehensive national strategy to investigate, prosecute, and disrupt entities and individuals engaged in acts of political violence and intimidation designed to suppress lawful political activity or obstruct the rule of law. This strategy shall include the investigatory and prosecutorial measures set forth in this section.

(b) The JTTFs shall investigate potential Federal crimes relating to acts of recruiting or radicalizing persons for the purpose of:

(i) political violence, terrorism, or conspiracy against rights; or

(ii) the violent deprivation of any citizen’s rights.

(c) The JTTFs shall also investigate:

(i) institutional and individual funders, and officers and employees of organizations, that are responsible for, sponsor, or otherwise aid and abet the principal actors engaging in the criminal conduct described in subsections (a) and (b) of this section; and

(ii) non-governmental organizations and American citizens residing abroad or with close ties to foreign governments, agents, citizens, foundations, or influence networks engaged in violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (22 U.S.C. 611 et seq.) or money laundering by funding, creating, or supporting entities that engage in activities that support or encourage domestic terrorism.

(d) The JTTFs shall consult and coordinate with executive departments and agencies (agencies) as needed to determine whether such agencies can apply existing authorities or exercise their own authorities, as appropriate, to support the JTTFs’ investigations and relevant prosecutions of political violence.

(e) The JTTFs may, to the extent permitted by law, request operational assistance from and coordinate with law enforcement partners when investigating domestic terrorism.

(f) The National Joint Terrorism Task Force shall provide regular progress updates to the President through the Assistant to the President and Homeland Security Advisor.

(g) The Attorney General shall direct the Department of Justice to prosecute all Federal crimes, to the maximum extent permissible by law, related to the investigations described in subsections (a) through (c) of this section.

(h) The Attorney General shall issue specific guidance that ensures domestic terrorism priorities include politically motivated terrorist acts such as organized doxing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, destruction of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder. This guidance shall also include an identification of any behaviors, fact patterns, recurrent motivations, or other indicia common to organizations and entities that coordinate these acts in order to direct efforts to identify and prevent potential violent activity.

(i) The Secretary of the Treasury (Secretary), in coordination with the Attorney General, shall make available all resources, to the maximum extent permitted by law, to identify and disrupt financial networks that fund domestic terrorism and political violence. The Secretary, acting through the Terrorism and Financial Intelligence Office of the Department of the Treasury, shall deploy investigative tools, examine financial flows, and coordinate with partner agencies to trace illicit funding streams. The Secretary shall provide guidance for financial institutions to file Suspicious Activity Reports and investigate indicia of illicit funding streams to ensure such activity is rooted out at the source and referred for law enforcement action, as appropriate.

(j) The Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service (Commissioner) shall take action to ensure that no tax-exempt entities are directly or indirectly financing political violence or domestic terrorism. In addition, where applicable, the Commissioner shall ensure that the Internal Revenue Service refers such organizations, and the employees and officers of such organizations, to the Department of Justice for investigation and possible prosecution.

(k) All Federal law enforcement agencies with investigative authority shall question and interrogate, within all lawful authorities, individuals engaged in political violence or lawlessness regarding the entity or individual organizing such actions and any related financial sponsorship of those actions prior to adjudication or initiation of a plea agreement. Investigations should prioritize crimes such as the following: assaulting Federal officers or employees or otherwise engaging in conduct proscribed by 18 U.S.C. 111; conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. 241; conspiracy to commit offense under 18 U.S.C. 371; solicitation to commit a crime of violence under 18 U.S.C. 373; money laundering under 18 U.S.C. 1956; funding of terrorist acts or otherwise facilitating terrorism under 18 U.S.C. 2339, 2339A, 2339B, 2339C, and 2339D; arson offenses under 18 U.S.C. 844; violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (18 U.S.C. 1961 et seq.); and major fraud against the United States under 18 U.S.C. 1031.

(l) All Federal law enforcement agencies with investigative authority shall adopt strategies similar to those used to address violent crime and organized crime to disrupt and dismantle entire networks of criminal activity.


Ice going after mexicans was just the test pattern. He's seizing everyone who he thinks might be a political enemy. OUr civil rights are gone as far as his thugs are concerned.

I think his embarrassment at the UN kicked it into high gear. I also think seeing the TV capitulate to the viewers really scared. him.
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He's ordering the end of opposing political organizations: The real fascism move happened today: (Original Post) lindysalsagal Thursday OP
THIS malaise Thursday #1
Yea right.... Lovie777 Thursday #4
Doxxing isnt terrorism but its used as an example of terrorism SSJVegeta Thursday #2
So, no legal processes at court to stop this? NeoTrajan Thursday #3
Tell that to the thousands of people Ice has already disappeared. lindysalsagal Thursday #7
What? Cirsium Thursday #24
Chilling doesn't even begin to express my reaction. yellow dahlia Thursday #5
Yeh cool story bro dweller Thursday #6
Exactly... returnee Friday #38
"(i) institutional and individual funders, and officers and employees of organizations, that... LudwigPastorius Thursday #8
Lawyer? Cirsium Thursday #25
I feel I_UndergroundPanther Thursday #9
" directly or indirectly financing political violence or domestic terrorism." BlueWaveNeverEnd Thursday #10
Total projection-sounds like J6. 58Sunliner Thursday #11
Aren't protests civil disorder? Diraven Thursday #14
No... returnee Friday #39
As some (of us) B.See Thursday #12
Irony is not dead. Chemical Bill Thursday #13
Obviously popsdenver Thursday #15
Welcome to the Final Solution johnnyplankton Thursday #16
Nothing scared him. This is all part of Project 25's seize of power. They get an A+ on that. live love laugh Thursday #17
You lost me on the "pushing through legislation like this" part. There's nothing about Congress in this order. ancianita Thursday #19
A PR campaign! Cirsium Thursday #27
Yep. lol a quasi-Riefenstahl campaign to distract media and public from the Epstein files ancianita Thursday #30
Your point? Cirsium Friday #42
You made your point about Riefenstahl. I was just free associating. Move on. ancianita Friday #45
Probably. But remember, investigating isn't evidence. Judicial rules of evidence have resulted in many grand juries ancianita Thursday #18
problem is, THEY ARE INVENTING "EVIDIENCE" Skittles Thursday #21
We don't know that and a judge knows all the rules of evidence, so that's not gonna happen. Don't forget ancianita Thursday #22
there's a reason why these fascists are stacking the courts with rightwing hacks Skittles Thursday #31
Yep. Try as he might... Even the vast majority of trump appointed judges have been ruling against him. ancianita Thursday #33
Oh, come on Cirsium Thursday #28
LOL ancianita Thursday #32
You can't be serious Cirsium Friday #41
You'll find out. ancianita Friday #43
Theater? Cirsium Friday #44
Sooooo... angrychair Thursday #20
Always. Every day. That's what they call the "enemy within" while never looking at the mirror. ancianita Thursday #23
These are the motherfuckers that stole all the government's data. rubbersole Thursday #26
Yep. But we still got ways to find out stuff... ancianita Thursday #34
Thanks for these numbers (facts!) And good that you linked to this from DFW's post today. erronis Yesterday #46
yw Numbers matter. Esp when corporate media don't fairly report public opinion. ancianita Yesterday #47
Literalky everything Trump and MAGA are guilty of. pfitz59 Thursday #29
And the original is on file in... moondust Friday #35
This plus Hegseth's gathering at Quantico yorkster Friday #36
None of This is Constitutional. None of It MrWowWow Friday #37
There is at least one clause in there that most Republicans will protest against most vigorously DFW Friday #40

SSJVegeta

(1,586 posts)
2. Doxxing isnt terrorism but its used as an example of terrorism
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:09 PM
Thursday
include politically motivated terrorist acts such as organized doxing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, destruction of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder.



Terrorism is by definition violent. I mean. Isn't the DOJ supposed to know how to at least speak English?

Trespassing is also not violent and therefore not terrorism. The targeting of government police in non violent acts, or of inanimate objects without the intent to harm -is also quite soundly not terrorism.


These people lose at their own game.

NeoTrajan

(21 posts)
3. So, no legal processes at court to stop this?
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:09 PM
Thursday

Are we just bending over for them?

I don't intend to just roll over on their behalf, do you?

So, until the courts have ruled on these issues, they are NOT written in stone and can be resisted in a court of law

Let's not accept the worst case in so cavalier a fashion

Let's say "no, your wrong" before we accept this: Presidents don't write laws

LudwigPastorius

(13,477 posts)
8. "(i) institutional and individual funders, and officers and employees of organizations, that...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:26 PM
Thursday

...are responsible for, sponsor, or otherwise aid and abet the principal actors engaging in the criminal conduct described in subsections (a) and (b) of this section;"

Damn, there's a lot of vague bullshit in this EO. So, if somebody makes a post on DU, and then later goes off and does something criminal, the DOJ can come after EarlG?

Brother, I hope you've got a lawyer on speed dial.

Cirsium

(2,901 posts)
25. Lawyer?
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:26 PM
Thursday

People certainly have a touching faith in the legal system - still.

We are somewhere between "get a lawyer" and "form a (redacted)." I think we are closer to the latter than we are to the former.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,269 posts)
9. I feel
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:30 PM
Thursday

Anger, disgust, tiny bit of fear, and dread.

I hate this administration and all its supporters they need to be held accountable a fish rots from the head down, let’s start with legally tearing apart trumps executive orders.

58Sunliner

(6,113 posts)
11. Total projection-sounds like J6.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:32 PM
Thursday

"domestic terrorism priorities include politically motivated terrorist acts such as organized doxing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, destruction of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder. This guidance shall also include an identification of any behaviors, fact patterns, recurrent motivations, or other indicia common to organizations and entities that coordinate these acts in order to direct efforts to identify and prevent potential violent activity."

Diraven

(1,608 posts)
14. Aren't protests civil disorder?
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:48 PM
Thursday

I think that's the first thing they'll try based on this - arrest any and all protesters and charge them with terrorism.

returnee

(677 posts)
39. No...
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 07:45 AM
Friday

…in essence non-violent protest against government actions (“redress of grievances”) is enshrined in the Constitution.

popsdenver

(528 posts)
15. Obviously
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:32 PM
Thursday

it pissed off the 2025 Nazi's and Steven Miller........Trump is just a pawn like W and Reagan before him.............

live love laugh

(15,924 posts)
17. Nothing scared him. This is all part of Project 25's seize of power. They get an A+ on that.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:35 PM
Thursday


If nothing else has been accomplished you can’t say they’re do nothings anymore.

Republicans sat on more than 300 pieces of legislation last term but now have turned the country upside down on its head pushing through legislation like this.

I’m flabbergasted.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
19. You lost me on the "pushing through legislation like this" part. There's nothing about Congress in this order.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:57 PM
Thursday

This is all massive bogus investigating by his Blondi henchmen in the executive branch. It will be a PR campaign for media to get distracted by.

But drama and hearsay go nowhere and it all continues to make media look stupid, and maga look as petty as their felon king.

Cirsium

(2,901 posts)
27. A PR campaign!
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:29 PM
Thursday

It's just a PR campaign. You know, like the one Leni Riefenstahl put together.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
30. Yep. lol a quasi-Riefenstahl campaign to distract media and public from the Epstein files
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:40 PM
Thursday

Yeah, like her. I showed her film in my film classes back in the day, gave the whole history of her work and how Hitler ran those films in German theaters from early in his dictatorship to the day the Allies took Germany.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
18. Probably. But remember, investigating isn't evidence. Judicial rules of evidence have resulted in many grand juries
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:41 PM
Thursday

refusing indict, which never happens. And so this, or the insufficiency of evidence, or the disqualifying of whatever the prosecutors want to use as collective hearsay, or just "prejudicial pre-trial publicity" by the president himself, will lead to more major loses for the hater-in-chief and his henchmen.

JTTF and LEO drama will impress maga, but the judiciary will get the last word.

Skittles

(167,709 posts)
21. problem is, THEY ARE INVENTING "EVIDIENCE"
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:05 PM
Thursday

pretty obvious from their zealous response to CK and the ICE shooting, while they routinely ignore chronic school carnage, cops being killed, Dems being assassinated, etc.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
22. We don't know that and a judge knows all the rules of evidence, so that's not gonna happen. Don't forget
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:16 PM
Thursday

the intercontinental scramblings of Rudy to get evidence. And the lack of evidence in all 60+ cases trump filed about election fraud in 2020. Even when they want to they can't even find facts with a search warrant, so seriously fabricating? Nah. Criminals are stupid.

Yes, you're right about their criminal neglect of justice for other suffering and dead victims. We know why. They never deal with any deaths or suffering but their own.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
33. Yep. Try as he might... Even the vast majority of trump appointed judges have been ruling against him.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:45 PM
Thursday

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
32. LOL
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:43 PM
Thursday

Past WHAT point? About what? That so far the felon's lost 90+% of his cases before the courts?

Cirsium

(2,901 posts)
41. You can't be serious
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 02:16 PM
Friday

He has been on a crime spree for the last 10 years and has wildly profited and increased his grip on power.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
43. You'll find out.
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 02:32 PM
Friday

So what. Yeah he's been sort of on a crime spree. And yes, he's been immune as president.

Also about him: As a citizen he's been convicted of fraud 34 times by a jury, and twice by juries in the E Jean Carroll case.

You'll find out why he's not got a grip on power when he's not even be allowed to go to trial against Comey.

You're inflating his power because you believe his theater, when in fact
-- he's lost a vast majority of his cases in the courts,
-- the majority of American public polls show they are against his leadership in general and most of his policies in particular,
-- that in the last 287 days there have been nationwide protests against him and all the various injustices he's perpetrated .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20676017

You are blind to the facts on the ground and instead, stare at his bluster based on fear, and at the trainwreck rather than those fighting to fix it.

angrychair

(11,172 posts)
20. Sooooo...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:02 PM
Thursday

I assume they mean "investigate everyone but the people we like" because we know exactly what they will be "investigating" and it's not rightwing hate groups or white nationalists.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
23. Always. Every day. That's what they call the "enemy within" while never looking at the mirror.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:21 PM
Thursday

The American public is seeing this "blind leading the blind" DC clown mafia for what it is.

rubbersole

(10,607 posts)
26. These are the motherfuckers that stole all the government's data.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:27 PM
Thursday

It's not enough to have a protest every 6 weeks. Every weekend. Should be every day.

ancianita

(41,999 posts)
34. Yep. But we still got ways to find out stuff...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 11:54 PM
Thursday
Is this enough over the last 270 days?

March 2025: -- 1,509 demonstration events were recorded.
April 5 and 19 -- 1,400 No Kings events in all 50 U.S. states.
June 2025 -- 2,465 demonstration events, representing a 130% increase from the previous month. A significant factor was the "No Kings" protest, which included more than 2,000 events across the nation on June 14.
July 2025: The "Good Trouble" protests on July 17 made up over a third of the total demonstrations for the month.
August 2025: 1,513 demonstration events were recorded, which was a 44% decrease compared to July -- immigration policies, government cuts, and opposition to the Trump
September 1, Labor Day --Over 1,000 "Workers Over Billionaires" rallies were held across the US
September -- 912 US demonstration events so far


erronis

(21,392 posts)
46. Thanks for these numbers (facts!) And good that you linked to this from DFW's post today.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 10:11 AM
Yesterday

yorkster

(3,404 posts)
36. This plus Hegseth's gathering at Quantico
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 12:15 AM
Friday

scheduled for Tuesday are sure cause for pause.

All part of Make America Terrified Always,
I guess...

MrWowWow

(1,370 posts)
37. None of This is Constitutional. None of It
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 12:33 AM
Friday

Congress is the legislative branch in this country. The members are called, "lawmakers.". trash💩mp is not able to decree new laws by executive order. That is 100% unconstitutional, and can and will be successfully challenged in court. We clear on that concept now? The Legislative branch makes the laws. trash💩mp signs them into being, and SCOTUS determines if they in a particular context or instance, are Constitutional. trash💩ump is mistaken if he thinks he is the law. He is not. He's nothing more than garbage wrapped in human skin. Historically, he'll never be anything else.

DFW

(58,999 posts)
40. There is at least one clause in there that most Republicans will protest against most vigorously
Fri Sep 26, 2025, 07:53 AM
Friday

(b) The JTTFs shall investigate potential Federal crimes relating to acts of recruiting or radicalizing persons for the purpose of:


(ii) the violent deprivation of any citizen’s rights.

If Republicans are no longer allowed to violently deprive citizens of their rights (such as civil rights, voting rights, or the simple right to live), they may as well close up shop and go home. What else is there for them to do?

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